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    Two men arrested at Starbucks for sitting while black

    Starbucks apologized Saturday to two black men arrested at a Philadelphia store in an incident that has led to accusations of racial profiling by the company and police.
    Cellphone videos captured the tense moment Thursday afternoon when at least six Philadelphia Police Department officers stood over two seated black men, asking them to leave. A man named Andrew Yaffe arrives to tell police that the two men were waiting for him. The officer says that they were not complying and were being arrested for trespassing.
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    Apparently the two were real estate agents waiting for a friend. Some of the white customers have said that they never had the police called on them while they waited for someone else to arrive before ordering.

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    Yet another reason to avoid Starbucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Yet another reason to avoid Starbucks.

    Yeah. Especially if you don't happen to be white.
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    If the police were called by Starbucks' staff, they had no other recourse. If the store had determined the persons were trespassing, all other information is irrelevant.

    Even if the men were asked to leave the store for being black...obvious discrimination, that is a civil matter. The police have to deal with the persons not wanted on site against the owner's wish.

    The men have recourse to file discrimination cases.



    e.g. If a gay couple goes to a bakery to have a wedding cake made and the owner refused. The gay couple could not call PD to enforce their right to accommodation, that is a civil matter. If the couple refused to leave, the owner could call police and have them removed for trespass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    If the police were called by Starbucks' staff, they had no other recourse. If the store had determined the persons were trespassing, all other information is irrelevant.

    Even if the men were asked to leave the store for being black...obvious discrimination, that is a civil matter. The police have to deal with the persons not wanted on site against the owner's wish.

    The men have recourse to file discrimination cases.
    I agree. It's also jumping the gun to blame the company for this incident. Starbucks must have thousands of stores in the US. This action was taken by a single individual. It does reflect badly on their brand, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    If the police were called by Starbucks' staff, they had no other recourse. If the store had determined the persons were trespassing, all other information is irrelevant.

    Even if the men were asked to leave the store for being black...obvious discrimination, that is a civil matter. The police have to deal with the persons not wanted on site against the owner's wish.

    The men have recourse to file discrimination cases.
    Really? The cops can't just tell the racist manager, "We got better shit to do"? Are they drones/robots, or human beings? Critical thinking is something that really needs to be taught more, these days, in various professions, clearly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Really? The cops can't just tell the racist manager, "We got better shit to do"? Are they drones/robots, or human beings? Critical thinking is something that really needs to be taught more, these days, in various professions, clearly...
    Had I been one of the officers, I think that I would have wanted to discuss the matter among both parties prior to whipping out the handcuffs and making an arrest -- but that's just me.

    I will say that the police were well within their authority to respond to a property owner claiming trespassing on their property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Had I been one of the officers, I think that I would have wanted to discuss the matter among both parties prior to whipping out the handcuffs and making an arrest -- but that's just me.
    At the very least...

    Again, like any big urban area, I'm sure Philadelphia (that's where this happened, correct?) has lots of serious crime, lots of more pressing concerns for police, than to act as bouncers for a bloody cafe house...
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    They could have just bought the cheapest thing on the menu, gone to the can and case closed. They didn’t so when the cops showed up they should have just left and filed a civil rights claim against Starbucks. I think you learn not to argue with the cops or never to say no to their demands early on in life. If the men were trying to make a point it cost them 9 hours in a cop station. They could have spent that time filing a civil rights complaint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    They could have just bought the cheapest thing on the menu, gone to the can and case closed. When the cops showed up they should have just left and filed a civil rights claim against Starbucks. I think you learn not to argue with the cops or say no to their demands early on in life, if the men were trying to make a point it cost them 9 hours in a cop station.
    They didn't resist arrest. They were arrested without incident, according to the article that I read, which may or may not be the one linked in the OP.
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