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    the strike was led by our government. What gives us the right ?
    Britain's PM also faced questions about why was this done w/o consent of parliament? That conference came on very late, though, I had trouble listening to her drone on about how chemical weapons are a threat to the world at large, yadda yadda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    the strike was led by our government. What gives us the right ?
    The world outlawed chemical weapons.

    He allegedly used them, on his own innocent civilians.

    The optics were bad.

    Our gubmint has thought of themselves as the "Worlds Policeman" for decades.

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    The thing is, in these ME nations, the people will get out and celebrate Saddam Hussein one day and then celebrate the US army the next day.

    It all depends on which party is holding the metaphorical (if not literal) guns to their heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The thing is, in these ME nations, the people will get out and celebrate Saddam Hussein one day and then celebrate the US army the next day.

    It all depends on which party is holding the metaphorical (if not literal) guns to their heads.
    Good point.

    And so true.

    Almost as bad as N Korea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    We were told the "weapons" were struck and destroyed. How did we find these weapons and these sites just days after Assad's attacks?

    Where is the UN inspectors? Where is their assessment on this strike.
    Israel already had intelligence on where they were at least believed to be. They did a strike days before. I assume we also did, but didn't want to strike just for the fun of it before.

    In terms of inspecting the site of the attack, as of yesterday, at least, Douma was not fully under the control of the Syrian government and Russia and therefore unsafe. The evidence of chemical attacks comes not from Douma, but blood and urine samples of victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    The world outlawed chemical weapons.

    He allegedly used them, on his own innocent civilians.

    The optics were bad.

    Our gubmint has thought of themselves as the "Worlds Policeman" for decades.
    Russia used chemical weapons in Moscow in 2002:

    The Moscow theater hostage crisis (also known as the 2002 Nord-Ost siege) was the seizure of a crowded Dubrovka Theater by 40 to 50 armed Chechens on 23 October 2002 that involved 850 hostages and ended with the death of at least 170 people. The attackers, led by Movsar Barayev, claimed allegiance to the Islamist separatist movement in Chechnya.[1] They demanded the withdrawal of Russian forces from Chechnya and an end to the Second Chechen War.

    Due to the layout of the theater, special forces would have had to fight through 30 metres (100 ft) of corridor and attack up a well defended staircase before they could reach the hall in which the hostages were held. The attackers had numerous explosives, with the most powerful in the center of the auditorium. After the murder of two female hostages two-and-a-half days in, Spetsnaz operators from Federal Security Service (FSB) Alpha and Vega Groups, supported by a Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) SOBR unit, pumped an undisclosed chemical agent into the building's ventilation system and began the rescue operation.[1]

    All 40 of the terrorists were killed,[2] and up to 204 hostages died during the siege, including nine foreigners, due to poisoning by the gas.[3] All but two of the hostages who died during the siege were killed by the toxic substance pumped into the theater to subdue the terrorists.[4][5] The identity of the gas was never disclosed.[6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow...hostage_crisis

    I remember watching that on TV, they were carrying out all those lifeless corpses from the building, the special forces and firefighters




    "Outlawed", yeah, right...

    International laws are enforced only on those who don't have nukes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The thing is, in these ME nations, the people will get out and celebrate Saddam Hussein one day and then celebrate the US army the next day.

    It all depends on which party is holding the metaphorical (if not literal) guns to their heads.
    In Syria, not exactly. Many people who had opposed Assad before the war, wanting more freedoms, the true-blue opposition on valid grounds people, flocked back around Assad rather quickly when the choices became him or ISIS or a group similar to ISIS. There have't been any heroes over there in a long time.

    The beloved 'rebels' the USG supports are not these true blue guys many of us wanted to support back in 2011. They are now straight up terror orgs. The Army of Islam is now who the USG is backing (among others).

    The support you see is real. Understand these rebel groups hold people hostage. They are very fucking happy when Assad liberates them. Only the rebels will face retribution. Not the people held as pawns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The thing is, in these ME nations, the people will get out and celebrate Saddam Hussein one day and then celebrate the US army the next day.

    It all depends on which party is holding the metaphorical (if not literal) guns to their heads.
    Nah, not with these guys. They are mostly Alawites there. If not for Assad, as well as Russian troops, the Sunni radicals whom the West and the Gulf theocracies support would genocide the lot of them. So, they will always fight with Assad, who is one of their own.

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    The night before the strike, CBS interviewed Syrian citizens in Damascus:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    The night before the strike, CBS interviewed Syrian citizens in Damascus:

    Brave people. Inspiring...

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