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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The problem is that the US and others may have done nothing to really punish Assad for doing what he did.

    Striking some chemical facility that may or may have not been involved in the attack.

    It would be like the US bombing a car manufacture because their vehicle was used in an attack.

    What and how Assad put these weapons together is still the question.

    I was pissed when I saw the video. I too wanted Trump to strike...but I also want Trump to step up and do more than a strike. A strike does not solve the problem.

    It's ok for me to operate on anger and emotion...but I want my government to use cooler heads and get the proof and then hammer the bastard. I feel the US has not done either.
    Sorry but the pictures of innocents foaming at the mouth and dying is proof enough for me that he is using them and a strike is warranted. How and where he makes them is secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Sorry but the pictures of innocents foaming at the mouth and dying is proof enough for me that he is using them and a strike is warranted. How and where he makes them is secondary.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ans/517187002/

    It's alarming to see so many here take the Russian and Syrian side over that of the USA, Brittan, and France.
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    The strike was focused on the Syrian Chemical Weapon R&D, Manufacturing, and Storage.

    It was very successful as detailed out in the "How" it happened thread.

    How the U.S. and Allies Attacked Syria

    I can see there are some ardent TDS people that will ignore all reported information that conflicts with their desire for Trump to fail, even if they have to support Assad and Putin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    The strike was focused on the Syrian Chemical Weapon R&D, Manufacturing, and Storage.

    It was very successful as detailed out in the "How" it happened thread.

    How the U.S. and Allies Attacked Syria

    I can see there are some ardent TDS people that will ignore all reported information that conflicts with their desire for Trump to fail, even if they have to support Assad and Putin.
    there's not such thing as TDS. Trump is deranged himself. So it doesn't apply. Otherwise, why can't it simply be that people have legitimate concerns about attacking a country that didn't attack us, without Congressional approval? Especially, when it's being done by someone that doesn't appear to have a long time strategy. Trump already attacked once and it didn't do any good. In fact, this attack doesn't alter the conflict one bit, or benefit the Syrian people. It's just Trump being a unhinged nutcase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Bullshit. The civilized world has said no chemical weapons and using them does require a response. Assad used them and 3 of those civilized countries responded. As somebody should. Personally I would tell Assad the next time it will be his fucking house that is hit. And what Putin has to say about it is immaterial. He warned against the strike saying he would shoot down those missiles and target where they came from. Well, about a couple hundred were fired from ships in the Med, subs in the med, from the red sea, from the air, from just about every direction and angle and Putin did not fire at a single one. He targeted none of them. I would have told putin prior to the action that since he made his bold claim of firing back that we have on standby at about 45,000 ft a fleet of B1 bombers and that if you fire a fucking peashooter at any one of our jets or vessels we will obliterate where they came from. Our satellite surveillance knows where every one of your bases or airfields in Syria is located and if you think a couple hundred missiles is a lot we have another dozen subs frigates and jets standing by with the coordinates all plugged in and ready to make that first wave look like a fucking picnic. The last thing we want is war but if that is what you want just fire on any US or allied ship participating in this mission and we intend to hit your forces in the region so fucking hard it will make your fucking head spin. That's what I would have told that 2-bit commie bastard for threatening us. Russia doesn't have the economy or might to hold a candle to the US not to mention the US plus allied forces.

    He's no fucking tough guy. What he has now may sound impressive but if a confrontation breaks out we can have a war machine kick into production turning out a 100 fighters a day, he will have a hard time building a fucking jeep.
    Typical chuckenhawk warmonger... Too many like you sitting around on forums, in America and Russia, etc... "Couch warriors", is what your kind are called over there lol

    I will just say one thing, only an idiot underestimates his enemy. You think you can survive a nuclear war? Or, I should ask, would you want to? Would you want to live in the world as it will look like after that?

    You think your military can do whatever they want? While you would harangue other nations, such as Russia or China or Iran, for acting the same way lol

    You, America, created the precedents for things like what happened with Crimea, with YOUR reckless "global cop" behavior. Own that.

    And, again, show me evidence it was Assad who used that chlorine, and not your precious "freedom fighters" (US also supported al Qaeda once, remember?), or shut the fuck up.

    And, for God's sake, Russia has not been "Commie" in ages. How old are you, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    The strike was focused on the Syrian Chemical Weapon R&D, Manufacturing, and Storage.

    It was very successful as detailed out in the "How" it happened thread.

    How the U.S. and Allies Attacked Syria

    I can see there are some ardent TDS people that will ignore all reported information that conflicts with their desire for Trump to fail, even if they have to support Assad and Putin.
    The success is disputed: Russia claims Syria air defences shot down 71 of 103 missiles

    Who knows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    What a waste of US tax payer money. Each of those missiles had a price tag of 1.4 million each while our infrastructure is crumbling, millions of uninsured Americans, etc. For what....the Syrians hate us. It is really motivating to climb out of bed Monday morning to go to work when our earnings (taxes) are wasted. If we actually destroyed chemical weapons, Syria or any other barbaric ME Country will just get more of them. For what it is worth, most Americans want this waste to stop...we have not even paid off the last useless war in the ME. Americans are sick of war and the ME.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    The strike was focused on the Syrian Chemical Weapon R&D, Manufacturing, and Storage.

    It was very successful as detailed out in the "How" it happened thread.

    How the U.S. and Allies Attacked Syria

    I can see there are some ardent TDS people that will ignore all reported information that conflicts with their desire for Trump to fail, even if they have to support Assad and Putin.
    There was not supposed to be ANY chemical weapons anywhere in Syria. (pretty sure that was reported in all the papers a few years back.) Those weapons were all supposed to be removed in a systematic operation.

    If we knew these locations of "manufacture and storage" why wouldn't we (the world) have destroyed them as soon as we found out about them??


    This whole story can be very confusing......
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    have to admit. The strike doesn't appear to make a heck of a lot of sense. Trump had the audacity to declare "Mission Accomplished" in complete ignorance of that terms historical context. It was also revealed that he gave the wrong speech. Pretty much, all sides are saying that there's no conclusive evidence that the timing of the strike was politically motivated. But, no one seems to be able to explain the long term strategy in Syria. The message we just sent is we don't care about anything other than enforcing a "red line". Otherwise, Assad isn't going anywhere and the people of Syria are on their own.
    It's politically motivated to those that wanted his take down since he won the election. They will always believe that. So that thought is a waste of concern. Whatever the outcome in Syria is, the Trump haters will continue hating him. I prefer we just ease out of that hell hole and let Russia get bogged down in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    It's not about the chemical weapons, whether there actually were any there or not (and, after Iraq and such, forgive my scepticism of your government's claims lol).

    It is about your government, your UN Ambassador Haley and others, getting all indignant about the "sovereignty and territorial integrity" of Ukraine, for example, or Georgia, while themselves having no regard for sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia or Syria, or pretty much any other country.

    You, your government, attack and invade wherever they please. USA has never lived by the same "international laws" it preaches. Even Soviet Union didn't invade as many countries as the US. It's ridiculous.

    I am sick of the hypocrisy. I don't even give a shit about Ukraine. That's not my fight. But when I hear some American official refer to my homeland, to Abkhazia, as a "breakaway Georgian territory"... Makes me want to punch my poor TV... I saw that war, as a kid, I actually saw my family's home on fire, from Georgian artillery. Who the fuck is some State Department spokesperson to insult my family and so many others, by referring to them all as Georgians, basically? That is an insult, over there, the worst you can imagine. They are not "breakaway" or "occupied". They are a proud people who fought and bled for their independence from Georgia. Just like your Kurdish friends in Iraq and Syria. Hell, just like Americans themselves, from the British. Yet, US government presumes it can decide who is a country and who is not. Well, no offense, but fuck your government...



    Trump is an ignorant buffoon. Even Bush... hell... even fucking Khrushchev would seem bright, next to him...
    It's a continuation of PNAC policy under multiple presidents. Obama, Bush Trump all are delivering on intervention in other nations affairs. Buffoons or run by evil men behind the scenes.
    Tell me the difference? If Hillary was prez we would be there too.

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