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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    All the big powers are like this, defend the sovereignty of those they like. US, say, is against Russia invading Ukraine, but perfectly ok with Saudi Arabia invading Yemen. And Russia is, yes, again, itself violating the sovereignty of aforementioned Ukraine, or, for example, Moldova, whose government wants Russia to pull their "peacekeepers" out of Transnistria, but whose military is nowhere near strong enough to make them; while pretending to defend sovereignty in Syria...

    All the big players in our world are hypocrites this way. It is disgusting.
    The places about which you speak are former soviet countries that are packed with people who are russian and want russian rule. They are truly civil disputes that we have no business in. Iraq and Afghanistan are the same. Iraq was the biggest mistake we could ever make and when the Taliban refused to turn over OBL they deserved a good bombing, not a 15 fucking year occupation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Why only chemical weapons though? Why is 'foaming at the mouth' worse than being blown up?
    Because the UN resolutions banning the use of chemical weapons does not include bombing countries having civil wars. If you are going to sign on to a resolution then when the time comes it needs to be enforced you enforce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Tough. Maybe you're not seeing the big picture here. We are aiding terrorists when we strike Assad.
    Which terrorists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Intentionally killing civilians by any method is not legal. Some Syrians have had far worse deaths than by chemical weapons: starvation.

    One town was without a single crumb of food or medical supply or anything for over one year. They ate all the animals, including their pets, all the grain, everything there was to eat, until only grass was left.

    Starvation takes weeks of intense agony. One survivor who was close to death himself from it, and witnessed others, said it is so terrible that even the most evil human should never have to endure it. He said it will take your mind and your soul long before it takes your body. You will turn against your brother, anyone.

    This is the sort of thing that the USG and other countries are partially responsible for aiding factions and keeping this war going for years longer than it should have.
    We should not involve ourselves with every friggin civil war that takes place. We have a resolution we signed on to that says chemical weapons will not be tolerated then when they are used we should not tolerate them. Yes that may be a bit ironic but then don't sign on to a fucking resolution saying you won't tolerate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I would agree with that if we didn't pick and choose based on who it is. As it stand, pfft.
    Which country uses chemical weapons on a regular basis that we have no problem with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    The above picture should have been the target in the last strike. If putin gets all pissed off and upset we should respond, "Didn't you tell us all the chemical weapons were removed?" "If you had not been a fucking liar that strike never would have happened".
    You wan to kill a bunch of Russian VIPs, which would definitely set off a war, and yet say you are not a warmonger... Come on...

    And Crimea enters into it, because of the precedent, again, that the US and the West created, in places like Kosovo, that it is okay to tear smaller and weaker countries apart that way. That's the problem. "International law" only works for the strong...

    I agree with you that using chemical weapons should be off limits. But, it's not just Assad who has chlorine over there. So does ISIS, and so do some of the other "rebel" groups.

    That's why we simply do not know yet who did this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    You wan to kill a bunch of Russian VIPs, which would definitely set off a war, and yet say you are not a warmonger... Come on...
    putin is not going to start a war because we are clearly upholding a UN resolution banning chemical weapons. Tell the motherfucker next time that's the target so I would think twice about putting anyone of his in that position. Assad uses chemical weapons again and Damascus will be the target, don't like it, tough shit.

    And you don't know who did this but you can bet out intel did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    putin is not going to start a war because we are clearly upholding a UN resolution banning chemical weapons. Tell the motherfucker next time that's the target so I would think twice about putting anyone of his in that position. Assad uses chemical weapons again and Damascus will be the target, don't like it, tough shit.

    And you don't know who did this but you can bet out intel did.
    Oh, please. US so indignant about chemical weapons, when you have still own stockpile lol

    US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, among other places. You don't get to be the good guys on this, sorry. Your government has as much blood on its hands, historically, as others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Oh, please. US so indignant about chemical weapons, when you have still own stockpile lol

    US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, among other places. You don't get to be the good guys on this, sorry. Your government has as much blood on its hands, historically, as others.
    Vietnam? Really?

    First off - that administration is long gone. Some of us live in the present (not the 1960's). So to suggest we can't aid in the enforcement of international law because of something that occurred over a half century ago is ridiculous. By that logic - we have no right to enforce laws against slavery either because slavery was once legal in this country.

    There is no end to the foolishness of that argument.

    Either the law matters or it doesn't. And we didn't attack Syria because they had stockpiles of chemical weapons. We attacked them because they were using chemical weapons. That is quite a bit different then having stockpiles.
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