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Thread: Oklahoma's Revolution Didn't End with Teacher Strikes—It's Going Much Further

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    It was a funny answer about unions and I responded appropriately.

    Spent many years in a union. It was a private sector union.


    p.s., ROFLMAO: Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    It was a funny answer about unions and responded appropriately.

    Spent many years in a union. It was a private sector union.
    Everything I've said about unions is true. Once a union has negotiated a contract with an employer, it has an obligation to uphold that contract. That includes doing what it can to prevent employees covered under the contract from engaging in work actions, which are only legal when there ISN'T a contract in place.

    I've worked as a teacher with a union and without, in a state that made unions meaningless. I've been a college professor in both union and nonunion situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Let's see if I have this correct: The public sector unions, you know those people that are paid with taxpayer's money, want a pay raise. They demand this pay raise from a mostly Republican-controlled state government. Now keep in mind that these public sector unions, and especially the teacher's unions, donate mostly, overwhelmingly, to Democrats. Then they, the teachers, are surprised that these Republicans, who they vote against, won't give them more of the people's money? I think these teachers need to do their homework.
    It's odd and telling at the same time that your whole and main concern is unions donating to Democrats.

    Shows how out of touch the right is with what devastation the GOP has caused in red states.

    It's like Louisiana and what Bobby Jindal did to LA was a lost on republicans.

    Oklahoma like Louisana gave big business and oil and gas massive tax cuts. So much so as to hurt just the basic necessities of state functions.

    The old bullshit lies of Republicans that too much money is being thrown at problems with no results are being exposed ...big time.


    What people are showing that starving a program of tax dollars does not make it better...it just makes business and the upper middle class richer.

    America is waking up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Are you suggesting that if the teachers donated to republican politicians, pay raises would be forthcoming?

    Low pay for teachers has created a free market shortage in Oklahoma public schools.

    Pay for teachers in Oklahoma is just about $16,000 a year less than what Texas pays.
    Maybe Oklahoma's teacher compensation should be a little higher. Maybe. But how should any rational thinking person assess which states really need to come up, which don't, and which might even need to come down? By just looking at average pay and that's it? How do you compare apples to apples between states, as well as between cities and small towns?

    You have to find a method to adjust the rankings for cost of living. This is not very hard to do.

    Maybe even after doing this, it will appear Oklahoma really needs to come up in teacher compensation. Or maybe it won't look that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Maybe Oklahoma's teacher compensation should be a little higher. Maybe. But how should any rational thinking person assess which states really need to come up, which don't, and which might even need to come down? By just looking at average pay and that's it? How do you compare apples to apples between states, as well as between cities and small towns?
    Negotiations.

    You have to find a method to adjust the rankings for cost of living. This is not very hard to do.

    Maybe even after doing this, it will appear Oklahoma really needs to come up in teacher compensation. Or maybe it won't look that bad.
    So you think supply and demand and market forces have no bearing on the price of labor? You want for it to be determined artificially? What other prices do you want to set by fiat?

    Oklahoma won't pay enough to keep its schools open five days a week. Maybe you think we should get rid of compulsory K-12 education altogether? I mean....who needs that stuff, really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Maybe Oklahoma's teacher compensation should be a little higher. Maybe. But how should any rational thinking person assess which states really need to come up, which don't, and which might even need to come down? By just looking at average pay and that's it? How do you compare apples to apples between states, as well as between cities and small towns?

    You have to find a method to adjust the rankings for cost of living. This is not very hard to do.

    Maybe even after doing this, it will appear Oklahoma really needs to come up in teacher compensation. Or maybe it won't look that bad.
    When a state cant keep teachers because pay is too low, or those who stay have to work more than one job to make ends meet, one could say with some assurance, your standard has been met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Maybe Oklahoma's teacher compensation should be a little higher. Maybe. But how should any rational thinking person assess which states really need to come up, which don't, and which might even need to come down? By just looking at average pay and that's it? How do you compare apples to apples between states, as well as between cities and small towns?

    You have to find a method to adjust the rankings for cost of living. This is not very hard to do.

    Maybe even after doing this, it will appear Oklahoma really needs to come up in teacher compensation. Or maybe it won't look that bad.
    Who would anyone need to assess the pay differential of teachers in the different states.

    The fact that teachers are leaving OK for Tx has nothing to do with comparing the pay in Tx vs. any other state. Comparing pay only show disparity not a guide of what to pay OK teachers.

    Teachers use % of pay and length of time of last since last compensation. That has nothing to do with the rate of pay in Tx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Maybe you think we should get rid of compulsory K-12 education altogether? I mean....who needs that stuff, really?
    I cannot say for him in particular, of course, but that does seem to be an ultimate goal of conservatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I cannot say for him in particular, of course, but that does seem to be an ultimate goal of conservatives.

    Uneducated people are much easier to hoodwink and manipulate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Additionally, I strongly advocate the banning of all public sector unions from having the ability to collectively bargain with government officials in regard to pay, benefits, and retirement.
    You are quite the authoritarian.

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