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    Journalist killed for investigating "Wagner"

    Maksim Borodin, a Russian journalist from Yekaterinburg, who wrote for the Novy Den (New Day) press agency

    He had reported before about crime, including organized crime, in Yekaterinburg; as well as corruption in the local government.

    But that is not, everyone is convinced, why what happened to him happened.

    He was recently doing an investigation report into the activities of the mysterious "Wagner Group" mercenary force operating (against Russian law, which prohibits mercenary work, period; but clearly with at least knowledge of thee government and often in the employ of powerful figures close to the Kremlin) in Eastern Ukraine, Syria, possibly Libya, and who knows where else.

    Borodin had attempted, recently, to question families of suspected local Wagner fighters in Yekaterinburg. Reportedly, one woman, wife of a Wagnerite, pretty much openly told him, according to a colleague, leave this alone, they will kill you.

    But, clearly he did not listen. On April 12th, he mysteriously "fell" from the 5th floor balcony of his apartment. Today, he died in the hospital, without regaining consciousness...

    Nobody is even surprised, over there. That's just what happens, when you mess with the government, over there, you can end up dead...

    That's why investigative journalism is almost dead there now. Very few people want to do it. Too fucking dangerous. Too many got killed doing it.
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    thats horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    ..RIP

    thats horrible.
    I never understood why, if they want, need, groups like "Wagner", why not just bloody legalize this stuff??? But, I guess, that's the whole point: keep 'em in the shadows, and keep any casualties on the Russian side hidden, in their operations. Can't do that with regular military. That's the advantage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    I never understood why, if they want, need, groups like "Wagner", why not just bloody legalize this stuff??? But, I guess, that's the whole point: keep 'em in the shadows, and keep any casualties on the Russian side hidden, in their operations. Can't do that with regular military. That's the advantage...

    Lots of advantages and disadvantages with mercenary companies.. just depends on many factors. For instance I consider Executive Outcomes a white hat merc co. in that EO proved they can be much more effective than governments or the UN forces..


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Outcomes
    Executive Outcomes initially trained and later fought on behalf of the Angolan government against UNITA after UNITA refused to accept the election results in 1992. This contract was awarded to the company after EO had assisted Ranger Oil with an equipment recovery operation in the harbour town of Soyo. Dubbed by the South African media as an attempt to assassinate the rebel leader Dr. Jonas Savimbi, EO found itself under constant UNITA attacks where it lost three of its men. This action saw EO as being recognised by the FAA and a contract to train its forces was duly awarded. In a short space of time, UNITA was defeated on the battlefield and sued for peace. The Angolan government, under pressure from the UN and the US, were forced to terminate EO's contract. EO was replaced by the UN's peacekeeping force known as UNAVEM. Angola returned to war shortly thereafter.

    In March 1995, the company contained an insurrection of guerrillas known as the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in Sierra Leone, regained control of the diamond fields, and forced a negotiated peace. In both these instances they are credited with rescuing both governments against RUF and UNITA. In the case of Angola this led to a cease fire and the Lusaka Protocol, which ended the Angolan civil war albeit only for a few years. In Sierra Leone, however, the government capitulated to international pressure to have EO withdraw in favour of an ineffective peacekeeping force, allowing the RUF to rebuild and sack the capital in "Operation No Living Thing".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Lots of advantages and disadvantages with mercenary companies.. just depends on many factors. For instance I consider Executive Outcomes a white hat merc co. in that EO proved they can be much more effective than governments or the UN forces..


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Outcomes
    Executive Outcomes initially trained and later fought on behalf of the Angolan government against UNITA after UNITA refused to accept the election results in 1992. This contract was awarded to the company after EO had assisted Ranger Oil with an equipment recovery operation in the harbour town of Soyo. Dubbed by the South African media as an attempt to assassinate the rebel leader Dr. Jonas Savimbi, EO found itself under constant UNITA attacks where it lost three of its men. This action saw EO as being recognised by the FAA and a contract to train its forces was duly awarded. In a short space of time, UNITA was defeated on the battlefield and sued for peace. The Angolan government, under pressure from the UN and the US, were forced to terminate EO's contract. EO was replaced by the UN's peacekeeping force known as UNAVEM. Angola returned to war shortly thereafter.

    In March 1995, the company contained an insurrection of guerrillas known as the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in Sierra Leone, regained control of the diamond fields, and forced a negotiated peace. In both these instances they are credited with rescuing both governments against RUF and UNITA. In the case of Angola this led to a cease fire and the Lusaka Protocol, which ended the Angolan civil war albeit only for a few years. In Sierra Leone, however, the government capitulated to international pressure to have EO withdraw in favour of an ineffective peacekeeping force, allowing the RUF to rebuild and sack the capital in "Operation No Living Thing".

    If you ask me, all the mercenary groups out there are "dogs of war", as such people, ironically, were called in Soviet Union...

    In the Wagner, you have guys from neo Nazi groups like Russian National Unity (RNE)

    Though they have become more about religion than race now, which is why Orthodox cross on their logo now, instead of swastika...

    Point is, nice guys don't join into crap like this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    If you ask me, all the mercenary groups out there are "dogs of war", as such people, ironically, were called in Soviet Union...

    In the Wagner, you have guys from neo Nazi groups like Russian National Unity (RNE)
    https://pp.userapi.com/c629310/v6293...tfdHRTJEL4.jpg
    Though they have become more about religion than race now, which is why Orthodox cross on their logo now, instead of swastika...

    Point is, nice guys don't join into crap like this...
    That might very well be the case with wagner group, but there are some decent mercenary companies out there.. the Pontifical Swiss Guards come to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    That might very well be the case with wagner group, but there are some decent mercenary companies out there.. the Pontifical Swiss Guards come to mind.
    lol Ok, yeah...

    But, I am talking about Wagner or Blackwater or other such sort of people. Not the guys wearing funny costumes at the Pope's palace, come on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    lol Ok, yeah...

    But, I am talking about Wagner or Blackwater or other such sort of people. Not the guys wearing funny costumes at the Pope's palace, come on...
    grrrr why you make fun of Swiss Guard uniforms. Sure they look like they got lost on their way to Middle Earth, but they are very professional and work hard preparing to stop an armored orc cavalry invasion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    grrrr why you make fun of Swiss Guard uniforms. Sure they look like the got lost on their way to Middle Earth, but they are very professional and work hard preparing to stop an armored orc cavalry invasion..

    lol Catholic Church should declare war on Russian Orthodox Church.

    I want to see those guys fight Patriarch Kirill's Cossacks



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Lots of advantages and disadvantages with mercenary companies.. just depends on many factors. For instance I consider Executive Outcomes a white hat merc co. in that EO proved they can be much more effective than governments or the UN forces..


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Outcomes
    Executive Outcomes initially trained and later fought on behalf of the Angolan government against UNITA after UNITA refused to accept the election results in 1992. This contract was awarded to the company after EO had assisted Ranger Oil with an equipment recovery operation in the harbour town of Soyo. Dubbed by the South African media as an attempt to assassinate the rebel leader Dr. Jonas Savimbi, EO found itself under constant UNITA attacks where it lost three of its men. This action saw EO as being recognised by the FAA and a contract to train its forces was duly awarded. In a short space of time, UNITA was defeated on the battlefield and sued for peace. The Angolan government, under pressure from the UN and the US, were forced to terminate EO's contract. EO was replaced by the UN's peacekeeping force known as UNAVEM. Angola returned to war shortly thereafter.

    In March 1995, the company contained an insurrection of guerrillas known as the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in Sierra Leone, regained control of the diamond fields, and forced a negotiated peace. In both these instances they are credited with rescuing both governments against RUF and UNITA. In the case of Angola this led to a cease fire and the Lusaka Protocol, which ended the Angolan civil war albeit only for a few years. In Sierra Leone, however, the government capitulated to international pressure to have EO withdraw in favour of an ineffective peacekeeping force, allowing the RUF to rebuild and sack the capital in "Operation No Living Thing".


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