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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Same here. Hopefully by the time we need to make these decisions, there will be a Die with Dignity law in every State. I add extreme pain to your list as well. I don't do well with pain. Tho, it will be really bumming to me when I can't drive or play golf anymore.
    Yes especially since I have developed a deadly allergy to Oxycodone. The last time I had it I was in hospital and nearly flat lined. If I hadn't been in hospital recovering from surgery I'd already be dead. I had taken the damn drug just a year before for another surgery and didn't have any reaction at all. Now I'm afraid to take any pain killer. I spent the rest of my recovery taking over the counter extra strength Tylenol and having to bite my lip for about 4 weeks . That surgery was done laparoscopically with just 5 little cuts, I hate to think what it would have been had I had the traditional cut me open surgery. I have a high pain tolerance but damn that was dreadful. Now come to think of it, maybe I wouldn't have to leave the country after all. Just get a perscription of Oxycodone and call it a good life and good night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    My impression is that even as First Lady, her beautiful white hair at the time, endeared many to her as the First Grandmother, also.



    No person, that includes me, as well as politicians, are perfect in my mind, but I still think people's deeds and intents can be weighed in terms of good and bad.

    We know Barbara through her husband, her own deeds as First Lady and First Mom..... and have continued to know her through her sons and husband.

    I believe there will be many many Americans that will be saddened to see Barbara pass on and because her husband, for all anyone can fault him for, seemed to many, to be more honorable, forthright and moderate than many other recent republicans, including his own son(s) and because of how he and Bill Clinton worked together to do some things, for the people of the world, following their political rivalry and presidencies, many will see both of their passing's as the passing, in some small way of some remnants of American sanity and attempts to be somewhat fair and honest, as opposed to what we see currently, in a world that now needs "fact checking" in an effort to aid anyone interested, in trying to determine where truth might lie and who to trust.

    https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C....0.-IcWRfwvlGQ
    Civility and honor come to mind. And something else we rarely discuss but the Bush' have big hearts. All of them. They are earth people, jovial, flawed, yet beautiful. You can't not like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Pain management if there is pain and comfort care can be a better option. She is a very sweet lady. I'm sorry to hear this.

    Think we can probably rest assured she is getting the best care society can provide. And she has a sizable family surrounding her.

    Cool lady. And feisty!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    True and I agree with most of what you say but I really think it was the start of the dirty tricks and mudding up peoples reputations with rumors that have brought us to the GOP of today. I think swiftboating started with his son and I think he had a duty not only as an X President but as a military man himself to impress upon his son that the right thing to do was to denounce the rumours and if George W didn't do that, then George H should have come out and done it himself. Kerry didn't deserve the swift-boating treatment and the GOP party went straight down hill morally after that. I don't know if what happened with the Iraq war and to his son's Presidency (George W.) was Karma for not doing the right thing during the election but I am a firm believer in the butterfly affect.
    From what I remember, it was no secret that father and son did not agree, especially when it came to Iraq and the notion of multilateral as opposed to unilateral action. I blame Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and their henchmen (one just pardoned by Trump) for lowering the bar with regard to putting party and a nationalist, populist ultra right agenda ahead of doing the right thing.......

    Here are some examples of what I mean. Father Bush was on the record as endorsing and following a "doctrine" of multilateral international support for the use force, to what Dick Cheney and his underlings put together as a DPG draft in 1992. That draft is almost identical to the that of the Project for a New American Century's "Statement of Principles".....

    The Defense Planning Guidance draft 1992
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.../etc/wolf.html

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...emes/1992.html

    http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/0404mantho.pdf



    PNAC - Project for a New American Century - https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...erican_Century

    http://www.rrojasdatabank.info/pfpc/...principles.pdf (note the signatories)

    https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwa00010308/

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ne...-price/5305447


    Senior Bush, along with his National Security Adviser, Brent Scowcroft, made a case for their not "taking out Saddam" and they stuck to that, in spite of junior Bush's joining Cheney and company (Cheney, et al) making a case for the opposite.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/a-word-transformed/

    Some say the division between G.H.W. Bush's policies and that of Dick Cheney, his Defense Secretary at the time, contributed to G.H.W. Bush's loss. There seems little doubt that that division illustrated the hardliner hawks (many of then chickenhawks) from more moderate conservative republicans, like G.H.W., who unlike his son, Cheney and many of the signatories to the PNAC, actually served in the military and saw combat. John Kerry also combat, but that didn't stop the hardliners from putting their unilateral imperialist leaning doctrine and agenda before America and an interest in serving all Americans and humanity in general.

    https://www.npr.org/2015/11/05/45490...administration

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...an-anyone-knew

    It's influence never went away, in spite of the negatives of the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, the debt, the Great Recession. Once again, it stressed party agenda, before America and a willingness to do anything, including lie, cheat and possibly collude with foreigners to influence elections and forward their agenda. The result and manifestation of the perhaps not the worst, but a bar, significantly lower than even the last lowered bar, is the daily escapades coming from the man who currently occupies the Oval Office.

    There is really no reason for a republican to be in the White House based on merits of the party, especially someone like Donald Trump, but for some freakish coincidence of factors. Congress has been rated lower than any President, for a long time now and republicans rated lower than Democrats. Obama was not even elected when the Wall Street Journal headlined the "Worst Crisis Since 30's, no end yet in sight", but he was blamed for causing it, then he was blamed for not stopping and reversing it and even after a slow and steady recovery is still insulted as being the worst President causing all kinds of problems for the nation, but the people and party blaming and insulting him for these things have the lowest rating in the lowest rated branch of government, Congress and now have a President that lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million and won the Presidency by a small number of votes, (relative to his loss in the popular vote).

    That President has had ratings among the lowest for any President since they have been recorded, so short of propaganda and posers that split the unity of the opposition party and trolled for the ignorant or loyal to party, (not truth, honesty, fairness, justice) who didn't/don't care how low Trump goes to do it, whether is it good for America (or even themselves) as long as he pushes through an agenda they have been led to believe is going to solve whatever problems they face and as long as he shoves it to, anyone or anything connected to the opposition, not because it may in reality have been bad for America, but because it was connected to the opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    From what I remember, it was no secret that father and son did not agree, especially when it came to Iraq and the notion of multilateral as opposed to unilateral action. I blame Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and their henchmen (one just pardoned by Trump) for lowering the bar with regard to putting party and a nationalist, populist ultra right agenda ahead of doing the right thing.......

    Here are some examples of what I mean.

    The Defense Planning Guidance draft 1992
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.../etc/wolf.html


    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front.../etc/wolf.html
    Sorry but nothing has to do with what I was saying. Nobody was stopping George W or George H from doing the right thing in the Swiftboating of Kerry. There is simply no reason they couldn't have made a simple statement saying they respected Kerry for his service and that the story was just ugly gossip. That was the beginning of the end of anything resembling ethical candidates and elections in the GOP. It was like a bad virus and they were ground zero and now it covers all the parties including the Green Party.
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    May she find peace and comfort in her faith.

    She was a wonderful First Lady!

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    What I'm not understanding is why she apparently is giving up instead of trying to keep up with life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    What I'm not understanding is why she apparently is giving up instead of trying to keep up with life.
    You are joking right? The woman is in her 90's and suffering from COPD. Why in the hell would she want to prolong her life if she has to struggle for every breath? It's not like they can cure her, the best they can do is medicate her, give her oxygen and she can be home for that. She has heart failure too and at her age surgery is out of the question. It''s like she needs anything short of a new set of lungs and a new heart and that isn't going to happen. Geez Louise, everything has an expiration date and her's here. It's not about keeping up with life, its about accepting she is at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Civility and honor come to mind. And something else we rarely discuss but the Bush' have big hearts. All of them. They are earth people, jovial, flawed, yet beautiful. You can't not like them.
    I agree we are all flawed, but that it would seem most of us are known and will be known and remembered by the weight of our flaws, balanced against the weight of our positives.

    While the current President makes G.W. and perhaps Jeb, look like angels, by comparison and with no disrespect to Barbara at the sorrowful time of her nearing death, but the jury in my mind about the "big hearts" of GW and Jeb, is still out in the weighing of their positives against their negatives.

    For all his negatives, G.H.W. Bush had a number of positives, one being the calling of "Reaganomics", "Voodoo economics", although he endorsed some of the same policies and ended up, like Reagan, having to go back on what he promised not to do. I thought his multilateral policies, rather than an imperialistic approach and his thoughtfulness on foreign policy and his working with Clinton and his trying to disagree with G.W. without undermining his own son's presidency, were some real positives. Barbara was an extension of that in many ways, but had to be a go between and not pick and choose who she was going to support more.
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    Sad too hear. Wish the Bush family the best.

    But 92? Daaaamn she had a good run
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