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    You are joking right? The woman is in her 90's and suffering from COPD. Why in the hell would she want to prolong her life if she has to struggle for every breath? It's not like they can cure her, the best they can do is medicate her, give her oxygen and she can be home for that. She has heart failure too and at her age surgery is out of the question. It''s like she needs anything short of a new set of lungs and a new heart and that isn't going to happen. Geez Louise, everything has an expiration date and her's here. It's not about keeping up with life, its about accepting she is at the end.
    Barbara has always been known as being a fighter and a good one. Can't see her quitting despite all of her maladies at this point. Besides, she has her husband to live for as well as her children. You've heard the saying "Where There's A Will There's A Way" just didn't think she'd prefer to quit.

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    Though we don't truly know people who we only know through their public persona, Barbara Bush always seemed like a good quality human being. Her family literacy program that she championed as First Lady was not only worthwhile on its own merit, it also provided a great example to many for making the world a better place. She was also a strong person who stood by her beliefs whether they matched up to those of her husband or their chosen political party or not.

    A good quality human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Barbara has always been known as being a fighter and a good one. Can't see her quitting despite all of her maladies at this point. Besides, she has her husband to live for as well as her children. You've heard the saying "Where There's A Will There's A Way" just didn't think she'd prefer to quit.
    Dude she’s fuckin 92. It’s probably a quality of life thing. If seeking further treatment is going to have little effect, then she probably wants her remaining time without it.

    My god this is a weapons grade bad take
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    Sorry but nothing has to do with what I was saying. Nobody was stopping George W or George H from doing the right thing in the Swiftboating of Kerry. There is simply no reason they couldn't have made a simple statement saying they respected Kerry for his service and that the story was just ugly gossip. That was the beginning of the end of anything resembling ethical candidates and elections in the GOP. It was like a bad virus and they were ground zero and now it covers all the parties including the Green Party.
    I don't disagree with you that that was the end of anything resembling ethical candidates and elections in the GOP. I said as much. What I was also trying to show was that Bush senior, was not in agreement with those who went on to essentially make up his son's cabinet and VP........It is why Bill Clinton was elected to 2 terms before Cheney and company, (including Jeb Bush) helped put G.W. Bush in office via a single vote SCOTUS decision.

    My thoughts are that while I wasn't a fan of G.H.W. Bush, he was more honest, fair and moderate than others of his party, before and certainly after, including his own sons. Considering he saw combat, his sons did not, the contrast between his "doctrine" and republicans that followed or preceded him, may have been indicative of that with consideration to his multilateral, versus unilateral foreign policy.

    I have to say, I do not recall G.H.W. Bush's position on the Swiftboaters and their treatment of John Kerry. His son was President at the time and I can understand how that presented one more conundrum, in addition to his earlier disagreement with his son, regarding the invasion of Iraq. He and Barbara have both spoken out about Trump, even G.W. too, although G.W.'s policies were much the same, even if Trump has ramped them up many times, plugging in his uncouth, brash, frequently lying ways.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Barb...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    Being no fan of G.W., the Swift Boaters and G.W.'s failure to nip it all in the bud (the same as G.W. accepting the Presidency in consideration of the factors that gave it to him in 2000), I can see how G.W. failed to discourage the bar being lowered, but he did come to John Kerry'e defense, if not in apowerful enough way.

    CNN.com - President Bush enters swift boat fray - Aug 23, 2004

    I do not recall G.H.W Bush weighing in, but I also cannot condemn him for not weighing in. The rift between he and his son on some issues was not unknown.

    If there is one thing I can credit G,W, Bush for, it is remaining silent during Obama's Presidency. Perhaps as a former President, although not an immediate successor to his son, but also the father of the President, G.H.W. Bush had some difficulties, undermining his son, yet again, since he had done so, regarding the invasion of Iraq and perhaps he left it up to his son, a President (at the time), to say something about the Swift Boaters. If he intended to support the Swift Boaters, then it would be one more.

    This is about Barbara though and what is reported as her imminent passing, perhaps being close. I can't say that I can see or say that she may have be been a conscious and willing participant in all or any of the underhandedness of the neo-republican party, with or without the participation of her spouse or sons. I did not agree with all things she said, but I am sure there are plenty of people that do not agree with me. That does not mean in the weighing of our agreements and disagreements, there may not be more agreements, than disagreements, with Barbara. It could and likely would be, a lot different with G.H.W Bush, G.W. Bush and Jeb Bush. Some of the things I have disagreed with Barbara Bush on, are due to the great divide between those who have lived relatively privileged lives with regard to wealth and those who have not. I can't say she intended to forget that difference in the comments that made me disagree with her on, but that I hear other wealthy people make comments that suggest from their positions, the life other people lead is not in their face so they as we all do sometimes, forget to think of how other people might be faced with things we may not be, on a daily basis.

    All in all, I feel Barbra Bush has been a genuine person who has loved and cared for her family and like any parent and mother, especially through thick and thin, tragedies and the troubles of her spouse and children, in their youth or as adults, tried to sort out her feelings about her own politics, that of her husband's and that of her son's and others in the family. As First Lady, she took up some good causes with genuine sincerity and caring. I can't see many reasons to disparage her (not saying you are), even if there may be reasons to feel differently about her spouse or sons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    Barbara has always been known as being a fighter and a good one. Can't see her quitting despite all of her maladies at this point. Besides, she has her husband to live for as well as her children. You've heard the saying "Where There's A Will There's A Way" just didn't think she'd prefer to quit.
    Oh my God, who said she is quitting, she is accepting the things she can not change and doing it her way. What do you think they were going to do for at the hospital that they can't do for her at home? The Doctors are pretty clear when there isn't anything they can do to keep you from dying when the time comes except make you comfortable. It's not quitting its' about not being delusional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    I don't disagree with you that that was the end of anything resembling ethical candidates and elections in the GOP. I said as much. What I was also trying to show was that Bush senior, was not in agreement with those who went on to essentially make up his son's cabinet and VP........It is why Bill Clinton was elected to 2 terms before Cheney and company, (including Jeb Bush) helped put G.W. Bush in office via a single vote SCOTUS decision.

    My thoughts are that while I wasn't a fan of G.H.W. Bush, he was more honest, fair and moderate than others of his party, before and certainly after, including his own sons. Considering he saw combat, his sons did not, the contrast between his "doctrine" and republicans that followed or preceded him, may have been indicative of that with consideration to his multilateral, versus unilateral foreign policy.

    I have to say, I do not recall G.H.W. Bush's position on the Swiftboaters and their treatment of John Kerry. His son was President at the time and I can understand how that presented one more conundrum, in addition to his earlier disagreement with his son, regarding the invasion of Iraq. He and Barbara have both spoken out about Trump, even G.W. too, although G.W.'s policies were much the same, even if Trump has ramped them up many times, plugging in his uncouth, brash, frequently lying ways.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Barb...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    Being no fan of G.W., the Swift Boaters and G.W.'s failure to nip it all in the bud (the same as G.W. accepting the Presidency in consideration of the factors that gave it to him in 2000), I can see how G.W. failed to discourage the bar being lowered, but he did come to John Kerry'e defense, if not in apowerful enough way.

    CNN.com - President Bush enters swift boat fray - Aug 23, 2004

    I do not recall G.H.W Bush weighing in, but I also cannot condemn him for not weighing in. The rift between he and his son on some issues was not unknown.

    If there is one thing I can credit G,W, Bush for, it is remaining silent during Obama's Presidency. Perhaps as a former President, although not an immediate successor to his son, but also the father of the President, G.H.W. Bush had some difficulties, undermining his son, yet again, since he had done so, regarding the invasion of Iraq and perhaps he left it up to his son, a President (at the time), to say something about the Swift Boaters. If he intended to support the Swift Boaters, then it would be one more.

    This is about Barbara though and what is reported as her imminent passing, perhaps being close. I can't say that I can see or say that she may have be been a conscious and willing participant in all or any of the underhandedness of the neo-republican party, with or without the participation of her spouse or sons. I did not agree with all things she said, but I am sure there are plenty of people that do not agree with me. That does not mean in the weighing of our agreements and disagreements, there may not be more agreements, than disagreements, with Barbara. It could and likely would be, a lot different with G.H.W Bush, G.W. Bush and Jeb Bush. Some of the things I have disagreed with Barbara Bush on, are due to the great divide between those who have lived relatively privileged lives with regard to wealth and those who have not. I can't say she intended to forget that difference in the comments that made me disagree with her on, but that I hear other wealthy people make comments that suggest from their positions, the life other people lead is not in their face so they as we all do sometimes, forget to think of how other people might be faced with things we may not be, on a daily basis.

    All in all, I feel Barbra Bush has been a genuine person who has loved and cared for her family and like any parent and mother, especially through thick and thin, tragedies and the troubles of her spouse and children, in their youth or as adults, tried to sort out her feelings about her own politics, that of her husband's and that of her son's and others in the family. As First Lady, she took up some good causes with genuine sincerity and caring. I can't see many reasons to disparage her (not saying you are), even if there may be reasons to feel differently about her spouse or sons.
    As a mother and a wife and not one directly involved in the nuts and bolts of the whole thing I don't blame her in the least for anything that happened. I put the responsiblity on the father and the son as they were the power brokers in the country and the GOP. Like I said previously I have nothing but the up most respect for Barbara Bush as she always was classy and genuine in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    What I'm not understanding is why she apparently is giving up instead of trying to keep up with life.
    She is 92 and there probably isn't anything more they can do for her. At her age, she is not a surgery candidate if that is a treatment option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Yes especially since I have developed a deadly allergy to Oxycodone. The last time I had it I was in hospital and nearly flat lined. If I hadn't been in hospital recovering from surgery I'd already be dead. I had taken the damn drug just a year before for another surgery and didn't have any reaction at all. Now I'm afraid to take any pain killer. I spent the rest of my recovery taking over the counter extra strength Tylenol and having to bite my lip for about 4 weeks . That surgery was done laparoscopically with just 5 little cuts, I hate to think what it would have been had I had the traditional cut me open surgery. I have a high pain tolerance but damn that was dreadful. Now come to think of it, maybe I wouldn't have to leave the country after all. Just get a perscription of Oxycodone and call it a good life and good night.
    There is always the one way ticket to Oregon as well. My MIL was allergic to opioids and when she was doing inpatient rehab, she had to take it in order to get through it. She was literally vomiting in bucket during her rehab. Several people had buckets next to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Me too and I didn't have many issues with her husband either. They have been married for 62 years, the longest running marriage for any POTUS.

    I respect her decision to be at home with all her loved ones. I hope she finds peace too.
    It's actually 73 years.

    She is such a grand gracious lady.

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