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    Ignorance Is Virtue BitterPill's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    The sole purpose of public sector unions is to turn taxpayer's money into contributions to Democrats.
    Not exactly, but your hatred for unions certainly does come through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here in California, teacher pay is pretty uniform. That's because the school districts' income is pretty uniform. Ironically, the equality is due to a voter proposition passed against the objection of teachers' unions many years ago, called proposition 13, which limited property taxes.

    The loss of property tax revenues led to schools being financed from the general fund, i.e., by the state instead of by the local property tax payers.

    So now a school in the inner city has the same resources as one in an area of million dollar houses. Interesting concept, that.

    Oh, and the average teacher salary in California isn't so bad:



    That was 7 years ago. It's no doubt more now.
    We have no sales or income tax so education is pretty much all on property taxes. That makes some towns where people are doing well to vote in decent budgets and others not doing so well to vote down budget after budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    I would say Conservatives oppose the massive education spend for the results we receive.... and the indoctrination.
    Conservatives have had no problems with public school indoctrination of their own in the past, and it is that past that leads to the accusation that others are doing just that.

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    The main problem for conservatives is not the teachers, but the administrators in mass pulling down huge money.
    That is certainly true in some places, but the reality is that in most cases it would a relatively small amount of the budget.

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    We spend well over $15K per student a year in some places for K-12. That's insane.
    It depends on the local economy and cost of living. It makes sense that expenses in San Francisco would be greater than in Baton Rouge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    We could play all teachers $100K a year with far better retirement, if we went to a proper voucher program.
    I do not see how. No more money would be available under those circumstances than the current ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Not exactly, but your hatred for unions certainly does come through.
    Not true. I was in a private sector union for many years. I have no basic philosophical disagreement for private sector unions, but public sector unions are a different animal altogether. Those employees are paid for by the taxpayers. They should not have a "union" that collectively bargain for wages, benefits, and retirement. Also, they ought not to have the right to strike. They work for the people. If they don't like their jobs, find work elsewhere.

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    Everyone has a choice, a choice to apply for a job. If the money and terms of conditions are not suitable or not adequate, don't apply.

    If you're not happy where you work, life is too short, get out and do what makes you happy. But to stay in a job and strike, shows you how stupid they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    I mean forcing kids to sit through Al Gore, Jr.'s movie each year Freshman - Senior. By the way, his movie... is not science.

    I mean the teachers, administration, and school district supporting an anti-gun walk about, but refusing to do the same for anti-abortion.
    Wait: Your schools actually show Al Gore's movie and make kids watch it? Are you sure? I'd go to the school board if they were doing that here. His movie is not science. Moreover, I question whether it is in the public domain.

    And, the students wanted to have an anti abortion walk about, and the administration refused? If you're right about that, then your local schools really do have something to answer for.

    Either you're grossly misinformed about what is going on in your local schools, or those schools need to be called to account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    The sole purpose of public sector unions is to turn taxpayer's money into contributions to Democrats.
    It is against the law for unions to use general membership dues for political purposes. If you have information that your local union is doing so, I'd call them on it. On the other hand, if the accusation is just coming from a political blog, I'd ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We have no sales or income tax so education is pretty much all on property taxes. That makes some towns where people are doing well to vote in decent budgets and others not doing so well to vote down budget after budget.
    That sounds like a terrible system. Kids from poor families are more difficult, not less difficult, to teach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Wait: Your schools actually show Al Gore's movie and make kids watch it? Are you sure? I'd go to the school board if they were doing that here. His movie is not science. Moreover, I question whether it is in the public domain.

    And, the students wanted to have an anti abortion walk about, and the administration refused? If you're right about that, then your local schools really do have something to answer for.

    Either you're grossly misinformed about what is going on in your local schools, or those schools need to be called to account.
    Many schools do show it. In fact in the UK, its shown all the time.

    "The case arose from a decision in February by the then education secretary Alan Johnson that DVDs of the film would be sent to all secondary schools in England, along with a multimedia CD produced by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs containing two short climate change films and an animation about the carbon cycle."

    https://www.theguardian.com/educatio.../10/schools.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That sounds like a terrible system. Kids from poor families are more difficult, not less difficult, to teach.
    True but in a small state where over a third commute out of state to work, an income tax doesnt make sense because those commuting, wouldnt pay it.

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