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    Quote Originally Posted by Davocrat View Post
    I love the idea of teacher strikes. What other group has more leverage through a strike?

    Kids have to stay home. Nobody in their right mind would scab as a teacher. It makes a state look really bad for both government and business.
    There are 7 districts that feed into our high school. A couple of years ago, one of the HS's in the district walked out on strike in May...a few days before the Seniors were supposed to take their finals. That district brought in subs to finish out the year and it got rather brutal. One of strikers threw a rock through one of the subs back windshield. My friend and I drove past the main HS in the district and I never saw such vulgarity and pissed off rhetoric coming from teachers in my life. Our HS has a no strike clause in our contracts and it was voted by all to include it. If you ever want another levy passed...don't piss off the tax paying parents. Some parents will support a strike but just as many will not because of the inconvenience to their children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We have no sales or income tax so education is pretty much all on property taxes. That makes some towns where people are doing well to vote in decent budgets and others not doing so well to vote down budget after budget.
    Same here...the schools in the affluent cities pay a lot more than the teachers in Cleveland. I had a teacher in Cleveland tell me she only earned 28K a year as a English teacher. The State lottery and casinos were supposed to kick in toward the schools but I have not seen anything as far as extra funding. Levy's are very difficult to get passed here...most home owners do not want to pay more in property tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We have no sales or income tax so education is pretty much all on property taxes. That makes some towns where people are doing well to vote in decent budgets and others not doing so well to vote down budget after budget.
    Wow. The schools in the poorer neighborhoods must be terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    [P]ublic sector unions are a different animal altogether. Those employees are paid for by the taxpayers. They should not have a "union" that collectively bargain for wages, benefits, and retirement. Also, they ought not to have the right to strike. They work for the people.
    This does not make sense. You have stated that public sector workers should not have the same rights as private sector workers, but have not explained why. "They work for the people" is a fact, not a reason.

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    A lot of outrage on the thread.

    What is the proposed workable solution to the teacher pay issue...??

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    A lot of outrage on the thread.

    What is the proposed workable solution to the teacher pay issue...??
    Politicians: Ignore it and hope it will go away.
    Teachers: Look for a better paying job, or move to another state.
    Public: Issue? What issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Politicians: Ignore it and hope it will go away.
    Teachers: Look for a better paying job, or move to another state.
    Public: Issue? What issue?
    Well even the experts admit we are in a pickle, since a ton of our education budgets rely heavily on property and income taxes. With boomers aging and millenials still living at home, that is bound to create problems. In my town, we have a few of those 55 plus communities and they get a big discount on property taxes which shift the burden onto families and millennials. Shortfalls constantly. In Massachusetts, they already are stopping retirement communities in some towns because they vote as a group against local school budgets. Now the question for many, is how else do we fund education? Quite a mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Well even the experts admit we are in a pickle, since a ton of our education budgets rely heavily on property and income taxes. With boomers aging and millenials still living at home, that is bound to create problems. In my town, we have a few of those 55 plus communities and they get a big discount on property taxes which shift the burden onto families and millennials. Shortfalls constantly. In Massachusetts, they already are stopping retirement communities in some towns because they vote as a group against local school budgets. Now the question for many, is how else do we fund education? Quite a mess.
    Yes, it is. Clearly, the solution or at least part of it, is to fund schools with something besides property taxes. Before Proposition 13, when California schools depended on local property taxes, we had what were referred to as "P G and E schools," after small rural schools that had a Pacific Gas and Electric power plant within their boundaries. They were awash in more cash than they had a use for. There were little, maybe four room schools that had swimming pools, for example. On the other end of the scale were schools in poor neighborhoods that couldn't afford the basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it is. Clearly, the solution or at least part of it, is to fund schools with something besides property taxes. Before Proposition 13, when California schools depended on local property taxes, we had what were referred to as "P G and E schools," after small rural schools that had a Pacific Gas and Electric power plant within their boundaries. They were awash in more cash than they had a use for. There were little, maybe four room schools that had swimming pools, for example. On the other end of the scale were schools in poor neighborhoods that couldn't afford the basics.
    Problem is it ends up boiling down to asking those with money if they will pay more taxes. Typically that doesnt end well since they dont always send their kids to public schools anyway. In New England, there used to be programs where companies sponsored schools. So for example, HP would donate all the computers, fund scholarships etc. and Adidas would fund the athletic department. Take all the extra goodies away from the budget so they could focus on teachers salaries and infrastructure. But some said it was indoctrination so many stopped. Now recent studies are showing New England schools falling apart in test scores and such when they used to lead the country. Troubling times ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Problem is it ends up boiling down to asking those with money if they will pay more taxes. Typically that doesnt end well since they dont always send their kids to public schools anyway. In New England, there used to be programs where companies sponsored schools. So for example, HP would donate all the computers, fund scholarships etc. and Adidas would fund the athletic department. Take all the extra goodies away from the budget so they could focus on teachers salaries and infrastructure. But some said it was indoctrination so many stopped. Now recent studies are showing New England schools falling apart in test scores and such when they used to lead the country. Troubling times ahead.
    Yes, public education is under fire and has been for some time. The silly meme that schools just indoctrinate students into some left wing ideology is one of those lies that go around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. The right wing "evangelicals" are the worst. They just want to end public education and supplant it with private schools that can indoctrinate children to their own way of thinking. That's not education. Education is teaching people how to think and come up with their own ideas.

    "If a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be. " Thomas Jefferson.

    He was right then, and he's right now.
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