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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    If the KKK makes a political party based on KKK beliefs then the KKK rep in NY should represent that party. They shouldn’t run a gay Jewish accountant because it will help them “win”. Then go out everywhere else saying how the party stands for KKK values.

    This concept is what, to me looking in, is tying Americans up into angry frustrated knots. The political parties are trying to “win”. By any means necessary.

    What they do once they’re in? Who cares. Not newsworthy. What’s important is winning the election. If a dried up piece of shit is running and you like his party? Then go out there and lie. Say how good he is. Sell your country down the rivier. It’s important to get that “win”.

    Politics isnt sports. You NEVER root for the home team. Never.

    Voters are supposed to be the judge. Not the fucking cheerleaders.

    Frankly, as a supporter of the Democratic Party, I'd much rather have a district represented by a Democratic politician who agrees with me on 75% of the issues than a Republican politician who agrees with me on 1% of the issues. Being from a nation with parliamentary rule, it's understandable that you wouldn't understand the power wielded by the majority party in Congress in a two party system.

    A smart voter in the US will protest based upon their deeply held personal ideology, and will vote based upon the party that most closely adheres to that personal ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    So is abortion. Yet if you get enough who oppose it and are patient, it could change. Thats why this is problematic.
    Opposing something and being driven to change the law are two different things. If and when the party platform changes you would have a point but right now chill. The guy is not making the issue part of his platform and saying he is going to push for it. What he personally believes about settled law in that case is his business. When you start hearing speeches from the guy saying he is going to work to over turn the law, then you’d have a point. Right now all you are doing is being a contrarian if you expect people to endorse something they have no intention of addressing while they are in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    If the KKK makes a political party based on KKK beliefs then the KKK rep in NY should represent that party. They shouldn’t run a gay Jewish accountant because it will help them “win”. Then go out everywhere else saying how the party stands for KKK values.

    This concept is what, to me looking in, is tying Americans up into angry frustrated knots. The political parties are trying to “win”. By any means necessary.

    What they do once they’re in? Who cares. Not newsworthy. What’s important is winning the election. If a dried up piece of shit is running and you like his party? Then go out there and lie. Say how good he is. Sell your country down the rivier. It’s important to get that “win”.

    Politics isnt sports. You NEVER root for the home team. Never.

    Voters are supposed to be the judge. Not the fucking cheerleaders.
    In reality based politics there is no way to get a state or a district to vote the way another state or people vote. Representation doesn't work that way. Just because one district votes for any issue is not representative of anything except the district they are representing. There is nothing lofty in this. Because we are a representative government that allows a voice for all districts/states so what we have to look at is whether Washington Republicans and Democrats are able to outnumber any bigot or outrageous views that creeps in via any districts vote. It is too innocent to think that anyone can run on issues in opposition to their views. And it is suicide to think that it is better to lose in a time when only Congress can stop Trump from destroying everything he touches. Congress is all that can stop Trump when he acts out. In Congress those leadership numbers matter more now than anyone can foresee if they don't understand that at this point. It is not a minor thing.

    We have to separate what we are personally for sitting in California versus what another voter is for sitting in Arkansas. Representative government works that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservatarian View Post
    Dear lord where have you been for the last several years, under a rock? It's hard to be that mis-informed.
    Ignorance is Virtue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Since when is the most popular candidate winning a primary election referred to as the losing candidates(s) having been steam rolled?

    What is the point in holding an election if the person who gets the most votes loses?
    The tortured language has caught on since the last election. For some reason the loser is the winner and the winner is the loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    The tortured language has caught on since the last election. For some reason the loser is the winner and the winner is the loser.

    Look here dammit!!!

    My group makes up 10% of the electorate in this district, and it's just not fair that our preferred candidate lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Look here dammit!!!

    My group makes up 10% of the electorate in this district, and it's just not fair that our preferred candidate lost.
    I'm with you! I say we protest the winning candidate for our losing candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I'm with you! I say we protest the winning candidate for our losing candidate.

    By god! I'm just gonna write in Jill Stein!

    That'll show 'em!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    By god! I'm just gonna write in Jill Stein!

    That'll show 'em!
    We have to wait until the loser candidate wins the primary to do our write in but we can do this. Yippie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    We have to wait until the loser candidate wins the primary to do our write in but we can do this. Yippie

    Changing the world -- one protest vote at a time!
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