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    You can't cheat physics!

    So, for everyone saying that today's modern, unibody CUVs/SUVs are more efficient than the body-on-frame behemoths of yesteryear... You're right! But even so, you can't cheat physics. Just for fun, let's take a look at a quick comparison between a 2018 Ford Edge and and 2018 Ford Fusion. Both vehicles use the same basic platform and both have the same drivetrain. They're essentially the same apart from the bodywork and a few interior details. Here are the stats:

    Vehicle: 2018 Ford Edge Titanium FWD 2018 Ford Fusion Titanium FWD
    Base MSRP: $37,020 $31,365
    EPA Fuel Economy Est – Hwy (MPG): 29 31
    Cruising Range - City mi: 360.00 346.5
    EPA Fuel Economy Est – City (MPG): 20 21
    Fuel Economy Est-Combined (MPG): 24 25
    Cruising Range - Hwy mi: 522.00 511.50
    Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 18 16.5
    Cargo Volume (ft³): 39.2 16
    Passenger Volume (ft³): 113.9 102.8
    Base Curb Weight (lbs.): 3927 3526
    Wheelbase (in): 112.2 112.2
    Length, Overall (in): 188.1 191.7
    Width, Max w/o mirrors (in): 75.9 72.9
    Height, Overall (in): 68.6 58.1
    Track Width, Front (in): 64.8 62.7
    Track Width, Rear (in): 64.7 62.4

    So what are the relevant differences? Well, the Edge is taller, a bit wider, a smidgen shorter, has marginally more passenger room -- mostly in the area of headroom, most likely -- and has considerably more cargo capacity. It's also more expensive, heavier, and has slightly worse gas mileage.

    The difference in gas mileage is inescapably a function of being heavier and less aerodynamic. In this case it's not a huge difference -- about 1 or 2 MPG. That amounts to about $60.00 a year per owner for an average amount of driving. But if we look at the difference in the aggregate, it adds up. Ford sold about 200,000 Fusions last year. If we assume that all of those folks buy an Edge instead, then that amounts to about 3.4 million more gallons of gas burned in a year. It also amounts to about 1.1 billion dollars more in Ford's coffers based on respective MSRPs. It's easy to see why this decision looks attractive to Ford, eh? At least in the short term...

    Bottom line: I'm disappointed by Ford's decision, but I don't fault them for making it. They're responding rationally to market forces, at least in the short term. Long term...? If a person needs and uses the extra cargo space that a crossover or SUV provides, then fine. That's what they need and that's what they should get. If they're buying a CUV/SUV because a dowdy old sedan just isn't their style, well, then their throwing away their money and, more importantly, creating extra waste and pollution simply for the sake of fashion. It's hard to see that as a good thing.

    And that's before we start talking about sacrificing safety and handling characteristics thanks to a higher center of gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    I used to go Mustang hunting on my Kawasaki Ninja. From red light to red light, it was no contest.
    I did that with my 66 Barracuda Formula S back in the day...no contest..

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    I’m a large family sedan person not an SUV person but I’m an old fart. I also like my sports cars too but that’s besides the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    I understand that, in the short term, cars aren't selling. The same was true in the era before the last big run-up in gas prices. But my point is that by focusing on the short-term, Ford (plus GM and Chrysler) wound up way behind the curve when gas prices rose and suddenly people were clamoring for more fuel-efficient vehicles. And that happened in the 70s, too.

    Anyway, I can see where older people are coming from, but a young person would be making a mistake if he bought an SUV over a car based on wanting to avoid the cost of snow tires. Snow tires are a fantastic investment. When I was younger, I had a rear-wheel-drive Toyota Supra, which you'd think would suck in the snow, but I bought a set of studded snow tires, and I'd zip around in the winter like a reindeer.... passing by plenty of 4-wheel-drive SUVs, with all-purpose tires, that had slid off the road. You can buy a cheap set of studded snow tires for as little as $300, which is far less than the cost differential between, say, an economy hatchback and a low-end SUV.
    My daughter has an SUV and she has snow tires and yes it’s all an wheel drive vehicle. She gets a reduction in her car insurance for it which is a plus. She feels it’s safer as they grip to the ice and snow better than the all season she uses during spring, summer and fall. If you live in an area that is hit hard by snow and ice it’s a great investment to get the snow tires even in an SUV.
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    Four wheel drive (or all wheel drive, as it is sometimes termed) is undoubtedly better for traction on loose surfaces and on snow (depending on the tyres), but it carries some penalties in terms of weight, and a tendency to understeer on normal road surfaces. Add to this the higher centre of gravity, and the cart sprung suspensory systems on most American (and many Japanese) SUVs, and I am constantly frustrated by the creeping pace of Toyota Landcruisers and Jeep Cherokees up and down the winding mountain roads I regularly traverse in the NSW Blue Mountains.

    It is also interesting to note the shiny underpinnings of these allegedly 'off-road' vehicles, indicating that they have never been off the bitumen.

    The so-called SUV makes very little sense to me. It is large, high, heavy, and bulky (and usually hit by the ugly stick,) which does neither handling nor fuel economy any favours. If one wants an off-road vehicle in which to 'go bush' - get the original Land-Rover (complete with winch to rescue the vehicle itself,) and unless one is a tradesman who needs to carry bags of cement or lengths of 4x2, a pickup truck makes no sense whatsoever. Why drive something noisy, rough, and generally uncomfortable, if one has the choice to do otherwise?

    And as for the alleged convenience of a high vehicle for the overweight and elderly; both my mother and my aunt are really quite small people (about 1.6 metres high,) and both have difficulty with getting in and out of SUVs. In fact my aunt complains she puts her back out in the process, and she much prefers riding in my elderly 5 series, to travelling in a friend's new Volvo XC90.

    And no - an off road vehicle or a pickup truck does not make you look more masculine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    I did that with my 66 Barracuda Formula S back in the day...no contest..
    With that 7.4 second 0-60 time and 16.8 second quarter mile capability, that really must of been a lot fun for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    My daughter has an SUV and she has snow tires and yes it’s all an wheel drive vehicle. She gets a reduction in her car insurance for it which is a plus. She feels it’s safer as they grip to the ice and snow better than the all season she uses during spring, summer and fall. If you live in an area that is hit hard by snow and ice it’s a great investment to get the snow tires even in an SUV.
    I feel like studded snow tires are the best kept secret for winter driving. Very few people bother with a dedicated set of winter tires, but they make more of a difference even than four-wheel-drive.... and they're not terribly expensive, since ultimately you get about the same number of miles out of a set of tires one way or the other, so if you have two sets, you just double the length of time they last. They're not hard to swap out on your own, either, so there doesn't need to be any expense associated with that. It's just a question of finding storage space for four tires, plus a couple hours of work per year doing the swapping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Beginning of the end of cars??
    Cars have gotten to small for the average American family.
    We have to buy SUV's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Cars have gotten to small for the average American family.
    We have to buy SUV's.
    Kind of like our houses I guess. That old 1200 square foot home from 1950 just wont do anymore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Not a big NASCAR fan, but won't this affect Ford in stock car racing?

    Don't they run Fusions?
    Chevy is running supposed Camaros, so perhaps Ford could use copies of a Mustang. While the name NASCAR still includes Stock Car, there is nothing stock about the race cars, they are built from the ground up. It ain't like the old days when I was a youngster.
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