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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    True. Plus the smaller SUVs get decent gas mileage. They arent the gas guzzlers they once were. It also saves people who live in the northern tier of the US from having to own 2 vehicles, one for winter weather and one for nice weather. That gets expensive.
    And as many here after the fires burned their homes down have found, you can actually live in some of them, especially in a place with facilities. And of course you can also put a camper on one of their trucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    1. you are going to get into a head on collision but you have a choice of one of the two vehicles you picked, you will be hit by the other. which do you choose?
    I am surprised you should ask that question. Given the disparity of damage to each vehicle in an identical collision, and more importantly - the disparity of damage to each respective crash dummy - only a fool with a death wish would not choose to be in the Mini. And yes, I am aware that the heavier vehicle may inflict more damage - but not more damage than the concrete block into which both vehicles were run.

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    2. you have a family of 4 and a dog, which vehicle would you pick to take on a family vacation?
    I have grown up with dogs - we would never take our dogs on holidays (there are such things as kennels). They are a uncontrollable distraction in a car, and can be fatally injured in even a minor collision (no doggy safety belts). But two children and a dog would easily fit in the rear of a Mini.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    3. your concerns about everything from handling, and roll overness, is inflated and not reality.
    These are concerns not merely limited to myself.

    According to a recent report from the The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, SUVs did more poorly than cars when it comes to rollover statistics.
    According to Consumer Reports, any vehicle has the ability to roll over. Taller, narrower vehicles such as SUVs, pickup trucks and vans are more susceptible to tumble over compared to traditional cars. This is because they are more top-heavy and have a higher center of gravity. When a top-heavy vehicle rounds a curve, the gravity shifts to one side and it can cause a roll-over. However, turning alone typically isn't the culprit of a roll-over; in many cases, the vehicle runs over a curb or pothole which causes it to shift and roll over.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/suvs-most-...to-roll-533722

    If you are thinking of buying an SUV, there is good news and bad news as far as safety is concerned. In general an SUV is more than twice as likely to roll over in an accident as a car. Children are especially at risk, they are three times more likely to be injured in an SUV rollover accident than if they were in a car.
    SUV Rollover Accidents - What to Know Before Buying an SUV

    How rollovers happen. Given the right circumstances, any vehicle can roll over. However, taller, narrower vehicles such as SUVs, pickups, and vans are more susceptible than traditional cars are because they have a higher center of gravity and thus are more top-heavy. Sideways forces that develop when a vehicle rounds a curve shifts the center of gravity to one side, which can have a dramatic effect on the vehicle's balance. The lateral forces increase with speed and also with rapid changes of direction--for example, when a driver makes too sharp a turn one way and then overcorrects the other way. Those transitions can set up a pendulum effect, with larger and larger swings and an eventual loss of control.

    Consumer Reports encountered that very phenomenon a few times during its emergency-handling tests of SUVs in the 1980s and 1990s. We consider those tip-ups to be untripped, because the vehicle essentially fell over itself on a flat surface without encountering some obstruction. The distinction is important because the supposed rarity of untripped rollovers has served as an excuse for the government and the auto industry to play down rollover risk and put the blame on the driver and road conditions rather than on the vehicle.
    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...-101/index.htm

    While accidents that involve vehicle rollovers are relatively rare, you should be aware of the risk-especially if you drive a sport utility vehicle (SUV). Statistics indicate that SUVs are three times more likely to be involved in a rollover accident than passenger cars. And, if a rollover does occur, occupants riding in SUVs are most at risk.
    Vehicle Rollover Risk | J.D. Power Cars


    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    That's just a start. I find them safer because I can see over traffic, I am more easily seen. I can carry more shit, and when stuck in traffic it's like I'm in my living room, not a cramped car.

    Larger vehicles can create visibility problems for other road users by obscuring their view of traffic lights, signs, and other vehicles on the road, plus the road itself. Depending on the design, drivers of some larger vehicles may themselves suffer from poor visibility to the side and the rear. Poor rearward vision has led to many "backover deaths" where vehicles have run over small children when backing out of driveways. The problem of backover deaths has become so widespread that reversing cameras are being installed on some vehicles to improve rearward vision.[15]

    SUV safety concerns are affected by a perception among some consumers that SUVs are safer for their drivers than standard cars, and that they need not take basic precautions as if they were inside a "defensive capsule".[19] According to G. C. Rapaille, a psychological consultant to automakers, many consumers feel safer in SUVs simply because their ride height makes "[their passengers] higher and dominate and look down [sic]. That you can look down [on other people] is psychologically a very powerful notion." This and the height and weight of SUVs may lead to consumers' perception of safety.[20]

    Study into the safety of SUVs conclusions have been mixed.[21][22] In 2004, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration released results of a study that indicated that drivers of SUVs were 11% more likely to die in an accident than people in cars.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...ility_vehicles



    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    also...



    0-60

    Alpha Romeo 5.5 seconds

    GMC Sierra Denali 5.6 seconds



    I can go into other specs but not as far off as you imagine.




    Plus, that's an alfa, it will spend as much time in the shop as it will on the street.
    Lol, point taken, but I was merely dealing with the aesthetics. But there you go - nothing wrong with the reliability of an Aston Martin.



    And with respect, Americans seem to think performance consists of accelerating from rest - handling, braking, and how quickly you can safely go through the twiddly bits, are much more significant to point-to-point times (and safety).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    Anyone can copy a picture from the Internet. I don't give a fuck what you drive but you've never driven a sub 10 sec. Nova, that's for sure. lol


    Don't care what you believe.


    You wouldn't know fast, that's obvious.


    it was a moped, wasn't it? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    you forgot ignorant. the amount of damage to the environment LIPO batteries do would make one of those hippies cringe.


    https://www.ft.com/content/8342ec6c-...7-502f7ee26895
    Hey! I never called them HIPPIES!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    I bought my f150 during the $4 a gallon gas. It was a 56,000 dollar truck I ended up getting for under for, I think 36 or so.



    You do the math, did I make out or did I buy a gas guzzler and lose money? How many miles could I go on 4dollar gas to get to that price difference?
    You could have gotten a loaded Camry or Accord for LESS than $36,000.00. *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    I am surprised you should ask that question. Given the disparity of damage to each vehicle in an identical collision, and more importantly - the disparity of damage to each respective crash dummy - only a fool with a death wish would not choose to be in the Mini. And yes, I am aware that the heavier vehicle may inflict more damage - but not more damage than the concrete block into which both vehicles were run.



    I have grown up with dogs - we would never take our dogs on holidays (there are such things as kennels). They are a uncontrollable distraction in a car, and can be fatally injured in even a minor collision (no doggy safety belts). But two children and a dog would easily fit in the rear of a Mini.



    These are concerns not merely limited to myself.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/suvs-most-...to-roll-533722

    SUV Rollover Accidents - What to Know Before Buying an SUV

    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...-101/index.htm

    Vehicle Rollover Risk | J.D. Power Cars





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...ility_vehicles





    Lol, point taken, but I was merely dealing with the aesthetics. But there you go - nothing wrong with the reliability of an Aston Martin.



    And with respect, Americans seem to think performance consists of accelerating from rest - handling, braking, and how quickly you can safely go through the twiddly bits, are much more significant to point-to-point times (and safety).
    I', afraid you are pretty much correct, not 100%, but for the most part. Many Americans consider "performance" to be how fast you can go from a dead stop to the next stop light on a clean, dry pavement with no hills or curves. That's about it.
    Silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    You could have gotten a loaded Camry or Accord for LESS than $36,000.00. *shrug*


    Does it come with tinted windows? Nobody wants to be seen in one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Does it come with tinted windows? Nobody wants to be seen in one of those.

    They come with trunks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Does it come with tinted windows? Nobody wants to be seen in one of those.
    Really? One can only wonder why they are two of the most popular cars on the road today. If what you say is true why is the Camry the 2nd most popular vehicle sold in the U.S. and the Accord the 3rd most popular?

    Please explain the reasoning behind your silly statement and why you refuse to talk like an actual adult.
    Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Really? One can only wonder why they are two of the most popular cars on the road today. If what you say is true why is the Camry the 2nd most popular vehicle sold in the U.S. and the Accord the 3rd most popular?

    Please explain the reasoning behind your silly statement and why you refuse to talk like an actual adult.
    Carry on.




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