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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    I think you are on to something. Palestinians throw rocks, Israel shoots bullets. Yet somehow these deaths are not the fault of Israel. Israel builds a fence to separate the two people then shoots Palestinians for approaching the fence. Sounds barbaric to me.
    Palestinians throw rocks and whatever else they can get their hands on, which sometimes includes deadly rockets of varying accuracy, though far less since Israel brought Iron Dome fully online.

    There's no question the balance of force is way whacked. But, that doesn't mean Israel is automatically using force inappropriately. It should be allowed and expected to justify the killings it has done.

    It just must not be permitted to say "Oh, them's are terrorists. Want more info? Kiss my ass."

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I had never heard of this loon before. I saw him last night on CNN. This one was quite a odd choice for the opening prayer in Israel.

    The loony aspect of Robert Jeffress is that he is saying in public what most would prefer not to hear. He is accurately stating mainstream Christian doctrine. Christians believe that there is no path to salvation except through faith in Jesus Christ. If someone does not believe that, then by definition, they are not Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The loony aspect of Robert Jeffress is that he is saying in public what most would prefer not to hear. He is accurately stating mainstream Christian doctrine. Christians believe that there is no path to salvation except through faith in Jesus Christ. If someone does not believe that, then by definition, they are not Christian.
    Nope. Liberal denominations preach salvation has been and will be offered to all Godly people, and only God decides who fits the bill.

    Worship of Christ is thus more about love and being thankful for what Christ has done for humanity, rather than avoiding damnation.

    Speaking as an agnostic, please don't broad brush people. It's not good for Jews, Christians, Muslims or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Nope. Liberal denominations preach salvation has been and will be offered to all Godly people, and only God decides who fits the bill.

    Worship of Christ is thus more about love and being thankful for what Christ has done for humanity, rather than avoiding damnation.

    Speaking as an agnostic, please don't broad brush people. It's not good for Jews, Christians, Muslims or anyone else.

    Speaking as an agnostic, don't be so damned presumptuous and condescending as to tell a well informed ex-Christian what Christianity is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Speaking as an agnostic, don't be so damned presumptuous and condescending as to tell a well informed ex-Christian what Christianity is.
    This is dumb. "What is Christianity, anyway?" is the reason we have denominations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    This is dumb. "What is Christianity, anyway?" is the reason we have denominations.

    There are no mainstream Christian denominations that believe you'll get to Heaven without accepting Christ as your lord and savior. That's a pretty basic tenet of the religion.

    Now... Anyone. Literally anyone, may claim to be a Christian. Then again, I could claim to be a brain surgeon, but that doesn't mean you should hire me to do your surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    There are no mainstream Christian denominations that believe you'll get to Heaven without accepting Christ as your lord and savior. That's a pretty basic tenet of the religion.

    Now... Anyone. Literally anyone, may claim to be a Christian. Then again, I could claim to be a brain surgeon, but that doesn't mean you should hire me to do your surgery.
    That doesn't translate to "and if you don't follow Christ you're going to hell" for all of them. It simply doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    That doesn't translate to "and if you don't follow Christ you're going to hell" for all of them. It simply doesn't.

    It doesn't for non-believers nor for heretics. It does for Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Palestinians throw rocks and whatever else they can get their hands on, which sometimes includes deadly rockets of varying accuracy, though far less since Israel brought Iron Dome fully online.

    There's no question the balance of force is way whacked. But, that doesn't mean Israel is automatically using force inappropriately. It should be allowed and expected to justify the killings it has done.

    It just must not be permitted to say "Oh, them's are terrorists. Want more info? Kiss my ass."
    I understand that the Palestinians aren't choir boys or that everyone of them who is killed is innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    This entire thread essentially constitutes half productive conversation, including with some folks who think there's a bigger issue than Jeffress, and Trump sympathizers who have bitched incessantly about the topic.

    Your stance so far isn't a good one on that scale. Not that you were ever here to engage in the former.



    Of course I am. I just find the lack of north korea threads (for example) vs stupid threads like this regrettable.

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