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Thread: Update: 58 dead, 2700 injured--medical emergency may be declared in Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Not just "people," ... "Civilians." That should be stressed. The government of Hamas didn't send an army - they sent shopkeepers, delivery truck drivers, farmers, and (especially) kids to face down the IDF at the Israeli border.
    This is what they do to their civilians:

    Gaza: Hamas killed and tortured, says Amnesty - BBC News

    I can't believe the Palestinians voted a vicious terror group into a leadership role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Virtually no Palestinians have ever owned land in what is now Israel. They’d have to have been born in or before 1927. Are you suggesting that their descendants have “inherited memory” or something like that?
    Do you think Israel owns the land because some mythical god said it was theirs in the Old Testament, written by Jews?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    More like the radical fucknuts who threw rocks at the British soldiers, and were shot.

    ... And the British soldiers were acquitted in court.
    Did you know that those British soldiers were defended in court by future President John Adams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    I don't know why OldGaffer deflected to the "Drunken OK man" thread.

    You'd have to ask him.

    This thread is allegedly about the protests at the Israeli fence.
    Oh now, that's not even a good attempt to deflect from MY question.
    Well? DO you think that bullets magically stop after clearing the area where active adult protestors were located or do you not?
    Why so shy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Oh now, that's not even a good attempt to deflect from MY question.
    Well? DO you think that bullets magically stop after clearing the area where active adult protestors were located or do you not?
    Why so shy?
    I don't think a question about bullets that magically stop is worthy of a reply.

    Do you really think that question deserves an answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    Do you think Israel owns the land because some mythical god said it was theirs in the Old Testament, written by Jews?
    No, I don't. I'm an atheist, and I don't put stock in gods or related literature.

    I think they own the land because the British Mandate of Palestine was given to them in 1948, and when neighboring Arab nations decided to attack, Israel proved that they were willing to defend their nation at any cost. They also turned the land into a highly successful country, boasting the closest-thing-to-a-democracy you'll find in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    "Much more recent?" That's an acceptable excuse in your opinion? Then it's no problem... If Israel keeps it up for another 75-100 years, then they'll be on safe moral ground as far as you're concerned?
    I don't know. I've always been conflicted on this topic. To be honest, I think both sides over there have been acting like pieces of shit... But Israel is the dominant military power. It's like a schoolyard fight. The bigger kid almost always gets blamed, regardless of who is the aggressor; and there is a reason for that: he is the more powerful one, because he can actually hurt the smaller, weaker kid. As Spiderman's uncle said, with great power comes great responsibility. Israel is NOT being responsible, IMHO It just kills anyone and everyone it feels like, knowing that America will protect them at the UN...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    No, I don't. I'm an atheist, and I don't put stock in gods or related literature.

    I think they own the land because the British Mandate of Palestine was given to them in 1948, and when neighboring Arab nations decided to attack, Israel proved that they were willing to defend their nation at any cost. They also turned the land into a highly successful country, boasting the closest-thing-to-a-democracy you'll find in the Middle East.
    The British were colonial occupiers too, not legitimate owners of the land, to give it away to someone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    This is what they do to their civilians:

    Gaza: Hamas killed and tortured, says Amnesty - BBC News

    I can't believe the Palestinians voted a vicious terror group into a leadership role.
    I can. People will do desperate things when backed into a corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    I can. People will do desperate things when backed into a corner.
    I guess they got what they wanted. A government that pushes them into slaughter, terrorist training camps and a government that also slaughters them. We have a large Palestinian population in Cleveland. It totally get why they wanted to leave Palestine.
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