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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Dr. knuckles,

    You mean like in Saudi Arabia, Oman, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Pakistan, etc.?
    Yes. Exactky like those places.

    Do those places seem peaceful to you? Does that model seem like it’s working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    I know I'm late to the party but the "caged Palestinians" part caught my eye here.

    You do know that Gaza borders Egypt too, not just Israel. Ever wonder why Egypt keeps them under lock-down?
    It must be because they're not a threat right?
    I don’t understand.

    Did something I wrote come across as complimentary towards Egypt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Speaking of the United Nations, I don't recall them offering to send U.N. Peacekeepers to Gaza to help keep the protests peaceful, and Gaza residents safe. Why do you think the U.N. stayed out of this, given it was planned in advance?
    Kuwait recommended a UN monitoring mission yesterday to the UN Security Council.

    It would have had to be unanimous to pass. It suggested a non-military UN group just go to monitor the area. The US and Russia rejected it. So it died there.

    The US has vetoed literally dozens of UN attempts to monitor Gaza. They’re all vetoed by the US. That’s from the 70’s, under every President since, regardless of party.
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    Might one not detect a certain pro-Israeli inclination in an article written by one Benjamin Aaron Shapiro, described as - 'an American conservative political commentator and writer'? He is in favour of privatising social security, criminalising abortion, and repealing the Affordable Care Act, and is the author of Bullies: How the Left's Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences Americans.

    I'm not sure that his published views could be considered entirely objective, or that I should be guided by them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Kuwait recommended a UN monitoring mission yesterday to the UN Security Council.

    It would have had to be unanimous to pass. It suggested a non-military UN group just go to monitor the area. The US and Russia rejected it. So it died there.

    The US has vetoed literally dozens of UN attempts to monitor Gaza. They’re all vetoed by the US. That’s from the 70’s, under every President since, regardless of party.
    As if Russia doesn't do the same to protect their allies.

    As if...

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    “The United States blocked a UN Security Council statement calling for an independent investigation into the Israeli-Palestinian clashes along the Gaza border on Friday, a week after rejecting a similar statement....

    ... Speaking to reporters at the UN he said that 14 of the 15 council nations had agreed to the draft statement but the US had opposed it.“

    Sorry Palestine. The fix is in. There’s literally nothing anyone in the entire world can do about it except US voters. And they have their own problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    I'm sorry my friend - you are one of the people I most admire on this board, but your pro-Israeli inclinations (seemingly, and perhaps understandably, common to many Jewish members of this board,) make it difficult to discuss these matters objectively.

    The picture does serve to indicate the IDF's attitude to Palestinian children, and the figures I quoted (which are easily verifiable,) had relevance to the claim that the Palestinians were constantly killing Israelis citizens with their rocket attacks.

    And before you leap to any conclusions - I am not in any way, shape or form, anti-semitic (I am in fact a great admirer of Jewish culture), nor am I an enemy of the state of Israel. I happen to believe that they are an established nation and have every right to exist. What I do not support is their right to treat people over whom they have power, in the way they do, and I do not believe that the USA is acting morally in supporting that behaviour, providing Israel with military aid, and protecting the Zionists from all criticism and censure. Were I an American citizen, I would protest against this strongly.
    I'm curious since you believe it is immoral for my country to provide Israel with military aid - do you feel the same way when we provide your country with military aid? Because that is usually the whole point of making an alliance with another country - to provide them with military aid. Especially when they are being attacked.... as Israel is.

    I also wonder how your country Britain would react if the IRA or some other terrorist organization started attacking their country to get the kind of political results they wanted. OH wait - never mind - we already know how your country reacted.

    It's always easier to be the moral judge of another country when you're not the country being attacked. It's also always amusing to me how much a person's morals seem to change when they are the target instead of someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Might one not detect a certain pro-Israeli inclination in an article written by one Benjamin Aaron Shapiro, described as - 'an American conservative political commentator and writer'? He is in favour of privatising social security, criminalising abortion, and repealing the Affordable Care Act, and is the author of Bullies: How the Left's Culture of Fear and Intimidation Silences Americans.

    I'm not sure that his published views could be considered entirely objective, or that I should be guided by them.
    “Benjamin Aaron Shapiro” is an Orthodox Jew (not a secret) and unabashedly pro Israel. I am not claiming that he is “objective “but his article contains some interesting information and discussion on the issue if you were at all interested in finding out more about it. If all we do is put our fingers in her ears and sing Lala Lala when someone who has a different point of view voices their opinion, what are we accomplishing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Kuwait recommended a UN monitoring mission yesterday to the UN Security Council. ...
    Actually, they suggested it today - maybe. This Reuters article is dated May 15th, and it describes Kuwait's plan to submit the proposal. So maybe it was submitted today, maybe not.

    This protest was planned months in advance. Everyone knew it would be aggravated by Trump's numbskull embassy move, and everyone had plenty of time to act BEFORE things got bad.

    Here's the UN Security Council meeting logs... it doesn't have today's meetings (yet), but if Kuwait made any such proposal, it'll appear here.

    The US has vetoed literally dozens of UN attempts to monitor Gaza. They’re all vetoed by the US. That’s from the 70’s, under every President since, regardless of party.
    Can you find evidence of one of these attempts? I'd like to read the wording for myself.
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    The International and National Left leaning media should be ashamed. They are ensuring this crap happens again, by forwarding Israel as the "bad guy" and by Hamas not receiving the blame and exposure they deserve in these deaths.

    If this was the picture....



    I can see the media's headline now... PALESTINIAN DELIVERING DRINKS TO ISRAELIS GUNNED DOWN!
    It's a good thing this was post #158. If this had been the OP, the thread would've been closed for violating rule #16.
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