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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Obama had experience in governing and extensive knowledge of how our form of government works as well as being a constitutional scholar. He was a competent president.
    1st term senator? LOL
    Yes, very extensive knowledge. Thats why the supreme court walked all over him many times. Hek, before he enacted DACA, he said it would be unconstitutional. Then he did it. So was he wrong, or does he not give a crap about law? Im fine with either.
    I think its ridiculous to want someone with a load of experience only though. Career politicians obviously arent the answer...
    Change is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    constitutionally impossible? I clearly stated i wanted them to destroy themselves. Die form within. Pretty sure that wont cause a constitutional crisis. LOL
    Undesirable? Do you understand how many people are tired of the duopoly? Some people would actually start to fix things around here. Instead of killing innocent people, creating wedge issues, Trashing the people that think a little different from you, Not giving a crap about spending and 1000 other bullcrap moves they do.
    The establishment has brainwashed the voters into thinking
    "i will waste my vote if i dont vote for a dem or rep"
    Think about how many people think like that. Think about what could happen if everyone that thought that DID something different.
    Okay, so the Democratic and Republican parties cease to exist. Two more parties that represent the left and the right will pop up. Because we don't have proportional seating in Congress and because of campaign finance laws, we would be right back where we were before. The parties would just have different names. That's what I mean when i say there would need to be structural changes in order to get away from the two party system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Okay, so the Democratic and Republican parties cease to exist. Two more parties that represent the left and the right will pop up. Because we don't have proportional seating in Congress and because of campaign finance laws, we would be right back where we were before. The parties would just have different names. That what I mean when i say there would need to be structural changes in order to get away from the two party system.
    Why do you think it will just be two?
    We do need to do something about campaign finance. FOR SURE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    He reminds me of Ralph Nader. Nader never did anything other run every 4 years. Useless as tits on a bull. Sanders runs his mouth a lot but I don't see what he's accomplished other than getting Trump elected.
    I feel like Nader and Sanders are idealists. They are good at putting ideas out there about what needs to happen in a perfect world. But they arent great at implementing them. They just make too much noise and are a distraction. But the ideas they generate are decent. They both would be good in a thinktank and not in politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    1st term senator? LOL
    Yes, very extensive knowledge. Thats why the supreme court walked all over him many times. Hek, before he enacted DACA, he said it would be unconstitutional. Then he did it. So was he wrong, or does he not give a crap about law? Im fine with either.
    I think its ridiculous to want someone with a load of experience only though. Career politicians obviously arent the answer...
    Change is awesome.
    Why is it important to have experience in everything else but not in governing? That's absurd. What's needed is public financing of campaigns so that politicians aren't beholden to big money and big business. That's where the root of the problem.

    Random change for the sake of change is not the solution to this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    uh, Bernie didn't win. He lost. But, that's the title of a new book by Jeff Weaver. A better title would be "How Bernie Helped Trump Win". I mean, these guys have got a lot of nerve. There is still a lot of resentment out there over how Bernie held the DNC hostage until he got the concessions he wanted. A lot of resentment because even after he was given far more than he was entitled to given his HRC margin of victory, his supporters still refused to concede the nomination to HRC. That's not saying that HRC didn't make mistakes during her campaign. But, for the love of God, this is just going to divide the party. Coming from someone that isn't even a Democrat.
    I caught the beginning of Weaver. Turned him off to go shopping for potting soil to finish my Planters.

    The nerve of Jeff Weaver! He caused Democrats to lose by having to battle him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    Why do you think it will just be two?
    We do need to do something about campaign finance. FOR SURE.
    Most people cannot get elected without the help of one of the major parties. Why do you think Sanders registered as a Democrat in order to run as a Democrat? Then, in Congress, in order to get anything done you have to caucus with one or the other party. It's our system that causes there to be two parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I feel like Nader and Sanders are idealists. They are good at putting ideas out there about what needs to happen in a perfect world. But they arent great at implementing them. They just make too much noise and are a distraction. But the ideas they generate are decent. They both would be good in a thinktank and not in politics.
    Thank you Baj! I could not have said it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I feel like Nader and Sanders are idealists. They are good at putting ideas out there about what needs to happen in a perfect world. But they arent great at implementing them. They just make too much noise and are a distraction. But the ideas they generate are decent. They both would be good in a thinktank and not in politics.
    Exactly! I'm a pragmatist. I like my politicians to be pragmatists. That's one reason I've always liked Hillary so much. Idealists have there place, but they're just not great at legislating or governing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    1st term senator? LOL
    Yes, very extensive knowledge. Thats why the supreme court walked all over him many times. Hek, before he enacted DACA, he said it would be unconstitutional. Then he did it. So was he wrong, or does he not give a crap about law? Im fine with either.
    I think its ridiculous to want someone with a load of experience only though. Career politicians obviously arent the answer...
    Change is awesome.
    Constitutional Attorney and Teacher? Plus being elected up through the ranks.

    What experience does Trump have? Zero! Nil! And it shows every day.
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