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    All that 'grass roots' surge shit that I had ASSUMED WAS REAL for Bernie, turns out it was likely RUSSA-TURFED. Just like Trump's! (I should stick with my gut, something told me something was 'off' about that surge).

    I'm still SICK TO MY FUCKING STOMACH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNHarley View Post
    Random change? You call a 100 year monopoly random? Lol
    You dont need to be a career politician to care for your country and her citizens. I mean, you want experience but consider 2 years(and not really that considering how much he campaigned) experience? LOL
    They have a huge staff for a reason. They have many advisors for a reason.
    "we cant do anything about our govt until we get the corrupt duopoly to give up financing" LMAO and THAT is logical how?
    Of course anyone can care about their country but you need basic knowledge of how government works. Trump hasn't a clue.

    Obama majored in political science and international relations in college. As a community organizer he had to help people with issues like tenants rights and voter registration which required knowledge of the law and government. Then he was a civil rights attorney. Again requiring knowledge of law and government. Then he was a state Senator for 7 years and then he was a US Senator for 3 years.

    The Democrats are a hell of a lot better on campaign finance reform that the Republicans.

    Donald Trump may have fought his way to the Republican presidential nomination attacking his own party’s donor class, but the 2016 Republican Party platform firmly supports the right of wealthy donors to give even more money with less disclosure.

    The platform, released on Monday, clearly states, “We oppose any restrictions or conditions that would discourage citizens from participating in the public square or limit their ability to promote their ideas, such as requiring private organizations to publicly disclose their donors to the government.” It further calls for the repeal of the McCain-Feingold limits on soft money donations to political parties and “raising or repealing contribution limits.”

    This is one area where the two parties could not be further apart. The draft copy of the Democratic Party platform calls for constitutional amendments to overturn both the 2010 Citizens United and the 1976 Buckley v. Valeo Supreme Court decisions. It further endorses the creation of a public campaign financing system for congressional elections and the passage of legislation to increase disclosure of outside money.

    “The Republican platform would create one political system for billionaires like Donald Trump and one for the rest of us,” David Donnelly, president of the campaign finance reform group Every Voice, said in a statement. “That’s antithetical [to] a democracy that belongs to all Americans, regardless of the size of our bank accounts. By contrast, Hillary Clinton supports making elections of, by, and for the people not the funders. It’s a stark difference.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Oh I think supporters are clear on what they want. But I am not sure just tearing it all down to start over works. People hear the message but I do think most want to find a way to change and route out corruption without burning down the tent.
    Getting rid of 2 corrupted parties isnt tearing everything down. Things like pubic financing of campaigns and regulations that stop money from being the deciding factor isnt tearing everything down...getting rid of the electoral college isnt tearing everything down...the two parties arent "everything"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    All that 'grass roots' surge shit that I had ASSUMED WAS REAL for Bernie? And it turns out it was likely RUSSA-TURFED. Just like Trumps!

    I'm still SICK TO MY FUCKING STOMACH!
    Thats ridiculous...its russia that made people want universal health care and paid parental leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    All that 'grass roots' surge shit that I had ASSUMED WAS REAL for Bernie? And it turns out it was likely RUSSA-TURFED. Just like Trumps!

    I'm still SICK TO MY FUCKING STOMACH!
    Whats funny is if there is anybody closer to the Russians, its Bernie Sanders. He honeymooned in the former USSR and has friendships with former KGB agents. He thought their system was "fair."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    Thats ridiculous...its russia that made people want universal health care and paid parental leave?
    No not at all. Many agree with his ideas. But as we are finding out, he had curious connections and meetings as well during the campaign. The Mueller investigation is discovering a lot of things all over. Russia really dug in deep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    Do you know the definition of corrupt? He is stuck with a 2 party system, thats not his doing.
    sure, here's the definition of corrupt.
    adjective: corrupt

    1.
    having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
    https://www.google.com/search?client....0.5jT6pAcUy5c

    Now, can you please answer the question? How is Sanders not corrupt given how he manipulated the system for his own personal gain? He said that if he ever ran as a Democrat that would make him a hypocrite. Yet, he did run as a Democrat for the sole purpose of his own personal gain. He then, switched back to the party he was registered as. He never intended to win the nomination. He knew he wouldn't. You claim he's "stuck" with a two party system. But, no one forced him to run as a Democrat. He made that choice himself with a corrupt purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I do think Sanders supporters are a lot like Trump supporters. Both want to blow up and destroy their respective parties. Am not sure either knows what they want to start over with though.
    I disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Most people cannot get elected without the help of one of the major parties. Why do you think Sanders registered as a Democrat in order to run as a Democrat? Then, in Congress, in order to get anything done you have to caucus with one or the other party. It's our system that causes there to be two parties.
    So if the duopoly ceased to exist, no one would get elected?
    Are you following your logic here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    uh, Bernie didn't win. He lost. But, that's the title of a new book by Jeff Weaver. A better title would be "How Bernie Helped Trump Win". I mean, these guys have got a lot of nerve. There is still a lot of resentment out there over how Bernie held the DNC hostage until he got the concessions he wanted. A lot of resentment because even after he was given far more than he was entitled to given his HRC margin of victory, his supporters still refused to concede the nomination to HRC. That's not saying that HRC didn't make mistakes during her campaign. But, for the love of God, this is just going to divide the party. Coming from someone that isn't even a Democrat.
    There's an internal war going on in the democrat party between the capitalists and the socialists.

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