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    The basic concept of a monarch is that they alone are above the need to “shore up there position”. They are a-political. They do not require one ounce of anyones support. They dont need anyone’s favour. They don’t want anything from anyone. They don’t make deals. They don’t do politics. They ARE the constitution.

    They ARE the Constitution, raised from birth to do that role, free from corruption, and prohibited in any way from acting or speaking with any political bias.

    They’re invaluable if you have a good one. And fairly harmless if you have a bad one.

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    Free from corruption? You're joking. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    The basic concept of a monarch is that they alone are above the need to “shore up there position”. They are a-political. They do not require one ounce of anyones support. They dont need anyone’s favour. They don’t want anything from anyone. They don’t make deals. They don’t do politics. They ARE the constitution.

    Sounds like a judge to me, and while both may theoretically be non-partisan, I have my doubts.

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    If the British Royals were like celebrities, I wouldn't really mind. But every time some ordinary thing of life is happening to them, such as a wedding, a funeral, a new born, etc., etc., we're hearing about it for days on end. It never stops. If any other foreign public figures were monopolizing as much news coverage, it would be deemed as propaganda.

    The good people on Earth who rid themselves of such parasites don't need to be placated with ordinary news of foreign ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    Free from corruption? You're joking. Right?
    You think the Queen trades favours for her own benefit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Sounds like a judge to me, and while both may theoretically be non-partisan, I have my doubts.
    Judges are appointed by politicians who expect a return on their investment.

    Supreme Court judges are appointed by political parties who expect them to vote according to that parties ideology.

    The monarch is (in theory) above all of that. They owe nothing to anybody, and are prohibited from political actions or decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paris View Post
    If the British Royals were like celebrities, I wouldn't really mind. But every time some ordinary thing of life is happening to them, such as a wedding, a funeral, a new born, etc., etc., we're hearing about it for days on end. It never stops. If any other foreign public figures were monopolizing as much news coverage, it would be deemed as propaganda.

    The good people on Earth who rid themselves of such parasites don't need to be placated with ordinary news of foreign ones.
    Is that the royals fault.... or the media? The british royals sell so the media provides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    You think the Queen trades favours for her own benefit?
    I think the queen is no different from any other human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Why would you compare the modern monarchy of the UK to France under Napoleon?
    Because I have NEVER understood the attraction some people have for royalty, for pomp and circumstance, for crowned emperors and aristocrats and titles of nobility, for dukes and earls and counts and countesses, and I sincerely thought we Americans fought a bloody revolution to get away from ALL of that, and here we find some folks who really seem to have a deep-seated yearning to get BACK to all of that. It's just plain WEIRD. Monarchies, whether constitutional or not, are a TERRIBLE form of government, better than theocracies to be sure, but only marginally, and you should count yourself LUCKY if you happen to get a BENEVOLENT monarch instead of an evil one.

    Really, I think there are MILLIONS of Americans who NEED to read Thomas Paine's little pamphlet 'Common Sense'. That should be REQUIRED reading in our schools. It TRIGGERED the American Revolution!! Without that incendiary piece of writing, which SHOWED how RIDICULOUS all the royal families of Europe were, what happened in America would have been nothing more than an unfocused rebellion, and NOT a war for independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    The basic concept of a monarch is that they alone are above the need to “shore up there position”. They are a-political. They do not require one ounce of anyones support. They dont need anyone’s favour. They don’t want anything from anyone. They don’t make deals. They don’t do politics. They ARE the constitution.
    I see that as a serious bug, not a feature.

    They ARE the Constitution, raised from birth to do that role, free from corruption, and prohibited in any way from acting or speaking with any political bias.
    I think viewing a monarch as free from corruption is a bit like viewing a fish as being free from the threat of having water splashed on it. Corruption is the very medium they swim in -- so all-encompassing that some don't even notice it's there. With anyone else, the idea of being handed a position of great prestige merely because of who their daddy was would be clear nepotism. But when such corruption has completely submerged the institution, many people don't even think of it as corruption any more.

    They’re invaluable if you have a good one. And fairly harmless if you have a bad one.
    I can't think of an example where a figurehead monarchy has ever had any value. It just strikes me as a drain on the nation's resources and an embarrassment to the nation's dignity. Granted, often they can't do too much harm, given their lack of power -- for example, even if the ethnically German British royals sympathized with the Nazis, it's not like they were in any real position to do something to help out Hitler. But sometimes the trappings of monarchy become very useful to some very bad people. For example, Franco made Spain a monarchy again so that he could rule through the Law of Succession, with help from Bourbon royalists. When people have been trained by monarchy to think of unelected leaders as having legitimacy, the path is clearer for dictatorship.

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