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    You think the Queen trades favours for her own benefit?
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    Because I have NEVER understood the attraction some people have for royalty, for pomp and circumstance, for crowned emperors and aristocrats and titles of nobility, for dukes and earls and counts and countesses, and I sincerely thought we Americans fought a bloody revolution to get away from ALL of that, and here we find some folks who really seem to have a deep-seated yearning to get BACK to all of that. It's just plain WEIRD. Monarchies, whether constitutional or not, are a TERRIBLE form of government, better than theocracies to be sure, but only marginally, and you should count yourself LUCKY if you happen to get a BENEVOLENT monarch instead of an evil one.

    Really, I think there are MILLIONS of Americans who NEED to read Thomas Paine's little pamphlet 'Common Sense'. That should be REQUIRED reading in our schools. It TRIGGERED the American Revolution!! Without that incendiary piece of writing, which SHOWED how RIDICULOUS all the royal families of Europe were, what happened in America would have been nothing more than an unfocused rebellion, and NOT a war for independence.
    I get particularly annoyed by Americans who bow and scrape to the monarch of England, and fawn over them in exchange for honorary knighthoods. Screw that. Our ancestors fought and died to be free of that corrupt institution. It's a hideous betrayal to be obsequious to it now. If I ever had the opportunity to, say, have an audience with the queen, I'd flatly decline, because I refuse to surrender my dignity, and the dignity of my nation, to the extent needed to interact with her in the way that British protocol demands (e.g., not speaking to her unless spoken to, not turning my back to her, etc.) My ancestors fought for the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and I'm not going to betray that notion, even just symbolically.
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    May I remind you that Trump from Celebrity Fucking Apprentice got elected by these fans of the irreverent. It should not go unnoticed that (Forrest) Gump rhymes with Trump.

    Yes Virginia, we are that stupid. The media is only a mirror on society. This too shall pass. Maybe...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    I get particularly annoyed by Americans who bow and scrape to the monarch of England, and fawn over them in exchange for honorary knighthoods. Screw that. Our ancestors fought and died to be free of that corrupt institution. It's a hideous betrayal to be obsequious to it now. If I ever had the opportunity to, say, have an audience with the queen, I'd flatly decline, because I refuse to surrender my dignity, and the dignity of my nation, to the extent needed to interact with her in the way that British protocol demands (e.g., not speaking to her unless spoken to, not turning my back to her, etc.) My ancestors fought for the self-evident truth that all men are created equal, and I'm not going to betray that notion, even just symbolically.
    I, too, would decline an 'audience' with the Queen.

    Why the hell would I even want one?!?

    Edit: Upon reflection, why the hell did I even capitalize the word 'queen'?!? Out of habit, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I, too, would decline an 'audience' with the Queen.

    Why the hell would I even want one?!?

    Edit: Upon reflection, why the hell did I even capitalize the word 'queen'?!? Out of habit, I guess.
    In my career I've had a fair amount of professional interaction with Brits. It gradually converted me from being something of an anglophile as a young man, to having a real contempt for their culture -- or at least the culture of upper-class Brits (the ones I interact with). Sometimes I can barely suppress a laugh at their anachronistic pretensions -- like instructions that I'm to refer to a colleague "Sir John," because he's been knighted. I've yet to play that game and I don't intend to start, even if it upsets their sense of entitlement. Yet, I see so many Americans who instinctively bow and scrape to the upper-crust Brits (and sometimes to all Brits, since to an uneducated American ear, every British accent sounds like it could be coming from an Earl.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    In my career I've had a fair amount of professional interaction with Brits. It gradually converted me from being something of an anglophile as a young man, to having a real contempt for their culture -- or at least the culture of upper-class Brits (the ones I interact with). Sometimes I can barely suppress a laugh at their anachronistic pretensions -- like instructions that I'm to refer to a colleague "Sir John," because he's been knighted. I've yet to play that game and I don't intend to start, even if it upsets their sense of entitlement. Yet, I see so many Americans who instinctively bow and scrape to the upper-crust Brits (and sometimes to all Brits, since to an uneducated American ear, every British accent sounds like it could be coming from an Earl.)

    lol ... many american celebrities are not much different. They dont want you to speak unless spoken to first. You are not allowed to look them in the eye. You must hide if they are coming your way so they dont see you.

    just an FYI... as you are not a british citizen you are not assumed or required to follow royal protocol.

    in my career ive had a good deal of interaction with royals....and they are not all that stuffy. Ive called them all by their first names and familiar nick names. Not once was i ever required to use formal titles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    I never feel more out-of-step with the American people than when subject turns to the British royal family -- an endless source of fascination for millions of Americans, for reasons I cannot even begin to fathom. On the front page of CNN.com, a quarter of the stories in the "Top Stories" section, at the moment, deal with a royal family wedding.

    If you're unfamiliar with the story (hard to imagine, since it's been covered by screaming headlines in every major news outlet), here's a quick summary: a guy who is sixth in line to inherit a meaningless figurehead position for a once-important country is engaged to marry an obscure character actor. That's it. For some reason, this is a major story requiring hundreds of articles over the course of months, even from hard-news outlets.

    Now, to be fair, I don't understand celebrity culture in general. Although I enjoy movies and TV shows, I'm only mildly interested in talents behind the camera, and not interested at all in those in front of it. In fact, I prefer to know as little as possible about such people, since knowing a lot about an actor colors how you see a character (try watching the Cosby Show these days). But as un-engaging as I find regular celebrity gossip, gossip about British royals is ten times worse. At least most celebrities are famous because of something interesting about them -- incredible beauty, great talent, etc. I find it a lot harder to understand why someone would care about a homely aristocrat whose only interesting feature is inbreeding.
    I love to read books about England, back to Henry the 8Th. Not sure why, mysteries,, Biographies. I love Irish History, maybe because my Family came from County Cork.

    But that does not mean I want to live there, or worship the Royal Family. I have always thought Charles was mistreated. But now the Queen has finally named him her Heir, at long last.

    That is my interest in them. They are just normal people who just happened to be named Royal. I do not think they mean much any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    lol ... many american celebrities are not much different. They dont want you to speak unless spoken to first. You are not allowed to look them in the eye. You must hide if they are coming your way so they dont see you.

    just an FYI... as you are not british citizen you are not assumed or required to follow royal protocol.

    in my career ive had a good deal of interaction with royals....and they are not all that stuffy. Ive called them all by their first names and familiar nick names. Not once was i ever required to use formal titles.
    Michelle Obama hugged the Queen. She hugged Michelle. The old rules are sadly out dated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    In my career I've had a fair amount of professional interaction with Brits. It gradually converted me from being something of an anglophile as a young man, to having a real contempt for their culture -- or at least the culture of upper-class Brits (the ones I interact with). Sometimes I can barely suppress a laugh at their anachronistic pretensions -- like instructions that I'm to refer to a colleague "Sir John," because he's been knighted. I've yet to play that game and I don't intend to start, even if it upsets their sense of entitlement. Yet, I see so many Americans who instinctively bow and scrape to the upper-crust Brits (and sometimes to all Brits, since to an uneducated American ear, every British accent sounds like it could be coming from an Earl.)
    I do like Dame Judy. My favorite Actress. Or, little round thing as an American Actress rudely referred to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I, too, would decline an 'audience' with the Queen.

    Why the hell would I even want one?!?

    Edit: Upon reflection, why the hell did I even capitalize the word 'queen'?!? Out of habit, I guess.
    She could slip you a Diamond Tiara. I am sure she has a couple extra.

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