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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    For which you should be thanking him...

    That is as absurd a response as I've come to expect from you. The cancellation of the TPP threw the future of our motor vehicle industry into disarray as Ford Australia and General Motors Holden closed plants based upon the TPP.

    Now GMH seems to be dealing with Opel instead of the US, and Ford has become expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I believe the deal has already been worked out. What the world does not know is how Trump will punish Iran, the EU and the UN for remaining in the deal.
    Meh. Pacific trading nations signed the TPP. And 195 countries signed the Paris accord. And for half these things the withdrawal doesn’t officially take place until after Trumps first term.

    Smart money is he’ll re-join everything he withdrew from, on the same terms, so that he gets credit for “renegotiating” it.

    Hes going to fake-withdraw from NAFTA too. He wants to announce a withdrawl (triggers a 6 month countdown) then plop a proposal in front of everybody and say “agree to this and I’ll cancel the withdrawl”.

    The proposal will, after all the bluster and insults, actually be reasonable. So everyone will scratch their head and ... accept it. Because it’s a good deal. Totally fine deal.

    But he made it look like he “forced” them to sign “his” deal.

    Mark my words. It’s all in his book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Meh. Pacific trading nations signed the TPP. And 195 countries signed the Paris accord. And for half these things the withdrawal doesn’t officially take place until after Trumps first term.

    Smart money is he’ll re-join everything he withdrew from, on the same terms, so that he gets credit for “renegotiating” it.

    Hes going to fake-withdraw from NAFTA too. He wants to announce a withdrawl (triggers a 6 month countdown) then plop a proposal in front of everybody and say “agree to this and I’ll cancel the withdrawl”.

    The proposal will, after all the bluster and insults, actually be reasonable. So everyone will scratch their head and ... accept it. Because it’s a good deal. Totally fine deal.

    But he made it look like he “forced” them to sign “his” deal.

    Mark my words. It’s all in his book.
    And every #Trumpcultist will buy into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I would like to think of it as moving past TRUMP, not America.

    Honestly, I'm okay with the US giving up it's role as a leader in world affairs, even if that was not Donald Trump's intention. The only thing that I would ask in return is that we scale back the outrageous level of taxpayer spending on our ridiculously bloated military, and divert those funds instead into doing some "nation building" right here at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    That is as absurd a response as I've come to expect from you. The cancellation of the TPP threw the future of our motor vehicle industry into disarray as Ford Australia and General Motors Holden closed plants based upon the TPP.

    Now GMH seems to be dealing with Opel instead of the US, and Ford has become expensive.
    Yes... like any scam artist that's sunk into a Mark, if the mark discovers the scam and pulls out, Yes, you would expect the scam artist to be in disarray.

    Still better than living under the scam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Yes... like any scam artist that's sunk into a Mark, if the mark discovers the scam and pulls out, Yes, you would expect the scam artist to be in disarray.

    Still better than living under the scam.
    This is the point where I ask you to prove your claim and it is where you avoid any explanation of said claim with empty rhetoric and obfuscation.

    I will, however, give it a try against my better judgement:

    How do the agreements based upon the TPP between independent subsidiaries of US companies constitute a 'scam'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Yes... like any scam artist that's sunk into a Mark, if the mark discovers the scam and pulls out, Yes, you would expect the scam artist to be in disarray.

    Still better than living under the scam.
    This makes no sense whatsoever, are you saying Australia is the scam artist and the US was the mark? Absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    This is the point where I ask you to prove your claim and it is where you avoid any explanation of said claim with empty rhetoric and obfuscation.
    His mind is so embroiled in conspiracy theories he cannot see simple truths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    This is the point where I ask you to prove your claim and it is where you avoid any explanation of said claim with empty rhetoric and obfuscation.

    I will, however, give it a try against my better judgement:

    How do the agreements based upon the TPP between independent subsidiaries of US companies constitute a 'scam'?
    Simple: qui bono?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    This is the point where I ask you to prove your claim and it is where you avoid any explanation of said claim with empty rhetoric and obfuscation.

    I will, however, give it a try against my better judgement:

    How do the agreements based upon the TPP between independent subsidiaries of US companies constitute a 'scam'?
    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Simple: qui bono?

    Apparently so.

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