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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Yes Judge says Manifort can be prosecuted for Crimes he committed while he was contracted with the Podesta Group working for DNC and Clinton Foundation.

    Yes this is going to get Very interesting.
    I hadn't heard it framed that way....

    That opens up so many different moves I had not considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I hadn't heard it framed that way....

    That opens up so many different moves I had not considered.
    You hadn’t heard it framed that way because it’s bullshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    50 U.S.C. ß 1805


    Presidents do not issue warrants - in fact, cannot. That is a judicial function, not an executive one. The executive applies for the warrant; the judge approves, or does not approve.
    Ok... I don't know the correct jargon, the fact is that Obama proper signed off on the authenticity of the evidence or that he felt it was important... Whatever.

    Bottom line. If not for the actions of both Clinton and Obama there never would have been an investigation into Russian collusion to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    You hadnít heard it framed that way because itís bullshit
    That's actually my next move... after sleep. Get confirmation of Manafort connection to Clinton/ DNC.

    Rumours are fun, but don't count for much until confirmed.

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    Podesa Group is Company "B" in the Manafort indictment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Ok... I don't know the correct jargon, the fact is that Obama proper signed off on the authenticity of the evidence or that he felt it was important... Whatever.
    No, he didn’t. That’s not a thing. It didn’t happen.

    Bottom line. If not for the actions of both Clinton and Obama there never would have been an investigation into Russian collusion to start.
    Bottom line, if it wasn’t for the actions of trump and his campaign and their dealings with Russia there would never have been an investigation into Russian collusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Podesa Group is Company "B" in the Manafort indictment.
    Indeed, but it is has nothing to do with the Clintons or the DNC at all.

    Manafort wasn’t “contracted” by Podesta Group at all. Both Manafort’s form and the Podesta group were hired by the same Ukrainian organization to lobby on their behalf. Manafort worked for neither the Hillary, the DNC nor the Podesta Group.

    The Podesta Group, along with Manafort's firm, were tasked with leading an PR effort on behalf of a group called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine.

    The ECFMU was a non-profit group whose true goal was allegedly to soften the Obama administration's opposition to the pro-Russian Ukrainian government in power at the time. (Several Ukrainian leaders were facing public condemnation from the American government for their treatment of political opponents.) The Podesta Group, along with Manafort's firm, were tasked with leading that effort on behalf of the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine. (In the indictment of Manafort unsealed on Monday, the Podesta Group appears to be referred to as "Company B" but never referred to specifically by name.)

    The Podesta Group didn't properly file disclosure forms detailing the 32 meetings it had with government officials at the State Department and the Vice President's office on behalf of the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine, according to CNN reporting.

    The Podesta Group has repeatedly insisted that it was unaware that Manafort was using the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine to improve the image of then-Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

    "The Podesta Group has fully cooperated with the special counsel's office and taken every possible step to provide documentation that confirms compliance with the law," the company said in a statement. "Based on our due diligence and on the recommendation of definitive legal experts, the firm immediately filed the appropriate public disclosures of its representation of the ECFMU over five years ago, and in eight subsequent public filings. The Podesta Group's work for ECFMU, a nonprofit think tank, was in support of Ukraine's admission to the EU, a position supported by foreign policy experts at the time. The ECFMU provided formal certification that it was neither funded by nor directed by a government or political party."
    https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/polit...ump/index.html

    Tl;dr your claims are complete bullshit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Indeed, but it is has nothing to do with the Clintons or the DNC at all.

    Manafort wasn’t “contracted” by Podesta Group at all. Both Manafort’s form and the Podesta group were hired by the same Ukrainian organization to lobby on their behalf. Manafort worked for neither the Hillary, the DNC nor the Podesta Group.



    https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/polit...ump/index.html

    Tl;dr your claims are complete bullshit

    UH OH. Look at the Manafort indictment "Company B" (the company he was working for when he was dealing with the Russians ) is the podesta Group.

    Keep clicking your heels and saying "It Cannot be true it cannot be true." maybe the Tin Man will come and rescue you

    He was indicted for Crimes committed 2006-2013 (that was the period he was contracted with Podesta and he was contracted to do work product for the DNC and the Clinton Foundation)

    Shame shame. None or so blind as those that will not see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Ok... I don't know the correct jargon, the fact is that Obama proper signed off on the authenticity of the evidence or that he felt it was important... Whatever.
    It is not a question of the correct jargon. A president can request a warrant, but it must be signed by a judge to be effective, and FISA is no different.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Bottom line. If not for the actions of both Clinton and Obama there never would have been an investigation into Russian collusion to start.
    Bottom line, irrelevant. Political opinions have nothing to do with whether the defendant is guilty of a crime. Political opinions also have nothing to do with whether the relevant search was valid, or whether the relevant evidence is admissible at trial. And neither the warrant, nor the search, nor political opinions are relevant issues for a jury to consider.
    Last edited by Ian Jeffrey; 16th May 2018 at 12:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    I sure hope this one goes to trial. Manafort is not a good person, but neither is Mueller and his team. I can't wait for the testimony on the home raid early in the morning with guns drawn and Manafort's wife being manhandled by Mueller's team in her own house. The optics are horrible.
    Why do you conclude Mueller is not a good person?

    Even Republicans say Mueller is Moderate, methodical and has a very long History of doing the same.

    Meanwhile you have a Dairy Farmer trying to cover his tracks with bluster,threats and down right thuggery. Nunes should know that CS smells no matter how many times he tries to cover it up.talk about incompetence, Nunes is a classic example.

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