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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Of course. It has no bearing on whether the defendant is guilty or not, and therefore is not appropriate for trial. It might be appropriate for a pretrial motion, but that is before a jury is selected and/or outside the presence of the jury. It is a legal question for the court to determine and does not present a factual question for the jury to determine.

    Dammit man! Your facts just take the fun out of everything!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Nah, not even close.

    It was about the legality of a jury being shown a theoretical video of an execution of a search warrant
    Yes, they are already making up the rules on everything else, I haven't seen an argument why they would start now all of a sudden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Of course. It has no bearing on whether the defendant is guilty or not, and therefore is not appropriate for trial. It might be appropriate for a pretrial motion, but that is before a jury is selected and/or outside the presence of the jury. It is a legal question for the court to determine and does not present a factual question for the jury to determine.
    No, but juries are not 100% accurate... Feds gotta keep that 98% conviction rate somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Under the legal theory that the investigation was started under the false pretence of a dossier with questionable veracity, lying to the judge about its origins to begin spying, then using biased agents investigating through data they should not have accessed in the first place... Meaning the whole investigation is based on rotten roots, so they are just making up the law as they go along anyway.
    None of that is a legal theory allowing irrelevant information into a trial. It has nothing to do with whether the defendant committed a crime or not. Check out the rules of evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    This isn't about justice, this is about "never trump" becoming "impeach trump" and enacting the "insurance policy" in what to do if trump were elected.
    That, along with your other paragraph above, is a political opinion, not a legal theory allowing irrelevant information to be presented at a trial.

    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    What legal theory would that be? Is witch hunt an official legal theory?
    It is not any kind of legal theory. It is a political complaint about a legal process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    He asked what legal theory? I said, to paraphrase, the law of the jungle.
    That is not a legal theory allowing irrelevant evidence to be presented at trial.

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    The entire process is so completely corrupted (at least towards trump) that it's to the point where even if trump gave Putin a tuggie to get his people to hack the election that no real court could ever accept the evidence pointing to trump in the first place.
    The only problem the prosecution might have with any of the relevant evidence is that it could be excluded if obtained illegally. Everything you are talking about is politics, not law, and is getting into the realm of conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    How in the world is Mueller not a good person? Do you even know his background? You really should look it up. He is, by all accounts, a highly honorable man according to multiple sources that are NOT right wing.

    But I like that he apparently strikes fear in Trump supporters over and over again with how often they trash talk on him

    Good luck to them with that.

    LOL Yeah, that is what the Hatfill family, and the guys Mueller helped keep in prison, and their families say. Mueller is a good man. Cost taxpayers in excess of $100 million too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Yes, they are already making up the rules on everything else.
    You are the only one making things up. Irrelevant evidence is inadmissible. Since the execution of the search warrant has no bearing on whether the defendant is guilty, it is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    No, but juries are not 100% accurate... Feds gotta keep that 98% conviction rate somehow.
    Irrelevant.

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    Expect any convictions to be tossed on appeal, that is my long time take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Expect any convictions to be tossed on appeal, that is my long time take.
    Based on what legal errors at a trial that has not yet occurred?
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