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    this is just being reported out. It's chilling to ever see the Justice Department go after journalist. This started under Obama. First time under Trump. Except, it would appear that the Justice Department did not follow their own regulations concerning seizing these records.http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...records-report
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    Senate staffer has been indicted too.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/u...ds-seized.html

    this is just being reported out. It's chilling to ever see the Justice Department go after journalist. This started under Obama. First time under Trump. Except, it would appear that the Justice Department did not follow their own regulations concerning seizing these records.
    "Look, I know that it’s hardly unusual for politicians demand loyalty, but when loyalty trumps character or competence — or when demands for loyalty require that you excuse the inexcusable — then there’s a problem. In the Trump administration, it’s particularly toxic. There’s a three-step process to moral corruption."
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ly-corrupting/
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/


    Clinton's meeting with Loretta Lynch, was torn up side and down the other as some sort of "corrupt deal". What does one call, first, keeping the head of the FBI behind to ask him to 'go easy and 'let an investigation go' on someone involved in the President's election campaign? What do you call an intonation of "loyalty" to the President? Comey already took an oath to uphold the Constitution as a part of his position, Trump did too. In combination with a discussion about 'going easy' on an indicted (for lying) member of one's own campaign and 'letting the investigation go', just what does anyone think Trump was referring to, when he spoke of "loyalty"?

    Yes, you can hate the Clinton's for all the things they have been alleged to have done and investigated for, but next to Trump, they practically look angelic, if by no other measure than the sheer volume that Trump dumps evidence of his doing the very same things anyone has ever accused the Clinton's of doing.

    As always, if you claim things you hate the Clinton's for, what's up with giving Trump on doing the same things, only times a hundred, possibly times a thousand?


    What is perhaps more unsettling, is Trump's constant and consistent efforts to paint the majority of the free press (because they don't flatter him, but report his own words and act as a mirror to Trump. revealing Trump, to himself, and pointing out his BS.....The one thing a con artist hates is someone pointing out how they are conning their marks. This is why Trump hates most of the free press.

    More important to consider, is why the founders of this nation put freedom of speech and the press in the first amendment. They WANTED a means to check those in power who might be corrupt and would (for obvious reasons) want to hide their wrongdoings and present the appearance "nothing wrong" and that everyone loves them as their leader. Tyrants want to control the news, especially to suppress any news that reports that which is unflattering or wrong. The Founders wanted the public to be able to hear news about what the person they elected, is doing from someone other than the person who would (for obvious reasons, if they were corrupt) want to paint things as "the best" and themselves as "well liked or loved" and paint anyone who reveals things aren't all as reported as lying.

    It would be quite obvious and a bit over the top in this nation to do the very thing the Founders intended to prevent, which would be to see Trump penalize or jail anyone, much more, journalists, simply for challenging his assessment of the state of anything in the union and his own popularity. Americans should not simply dismiss the events of the late 1920's into the late 1930's and into the 1940's as something that could not happen here. Tyranny, fascism and dictatorship did not come overnight, but with lots of people working the crowd to get them to trust enough to put power in the hands of those who went on to abuse it and cause the worst war the world has thus far seen.
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    this is just being reported out. It's chilling to ever see the Justice Department go after journalist. This started under Obama. First time under Trump. Except, it would appear that the Justice Department did not follow their own regulations concerning seizing these records.
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    Mr. Wolfe’s case led to the first known instance of the Justice Department going after a reporter’s data under President Trump.


    Mr. Trump has complained bitterly about leaks and demanded that law enforcement officials seek criminal charges against government officials involved in illegal and sometimes embarrassing disclosures of national security secrets.

    Investigators sought Ms. Watkins’s information as part of an inquiry into whether James A. Wolfe, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s former director of security, disclosed classified secrets to reporters. F.B.I. agents approached Ms. Watkins about a previous three-year romantic relationship she had with Mr. Wolfe, saying they were investigating unauthorized leaks.

    News media advocates consider the idea of mining a journalist’s records for sources to be an intrusion on First Amendment freedoms, and prosecutors acknowledge it is one of the most delicate steps the Justice Department can take. “Freedom of the press is a cornerstone of democracy, and communications between journalists and their sources demand protection,” said Eileen Murphy, a Times spokeswoman.

    From another NYT reporters

    I've been warning reporters to take care as this administration rattled it would go after sources like the previous one. You've been warned. Justice Dept. Seizes Times Reporter’s Email and Phone Records in Leak Investigation

    https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/s...01682575233024

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    You will see people arguing the Obama administration did this too. That's true - to @AdamgoldmanNYT in fact. But @EricHolder also then recognized DOJ had gone too far and put in place regulations to prevent this from happening again. Seems they were ignored here.

    https://twitter.com/matthewamiller/s...04523364814848
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/u...ds-seized.html

    this is just being reported out. It's chilling to ever see the Justice Department go after journalist. This started under Obama. First time under Trump. Except, it would appear that the Justice Department did not follow their own regulations concerning seizing these records.
    Dead link...

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    Dead link...
    Try this one

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/u...ds-seized.html

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    Ms. Watkins said she told editors at Buzzfeed News and Politico about it and continued to cover national security, including the committee’s work. Ben Smith, the editor in chief of Buzzfeed News, said in a statement, “We’re deeply troubled by what looks like a case of law enforcement interfering with a reporter’s constitutional right to gather information about her own government.”

    The attorney general has stated that investigations and prosecutions of unauthorized disclosure of controlled information are a priority of the Department of Justice,” John Demers, a top Justice Department official, said in a statement announcing Mr. Wolfe’s arrest.

    When law enforcement officials obtained journalists’ records during the Obama administration, members of Congress in both parties sounded alarms, and the moves touched off such a firestorm among advocates for press freedom that helped prompt the Justice Department to rewrite its relevant guidelines. Under Justice Department regulations, investigators must clear additional hurdles before they can seek business records that could reveal a reporter’s confidential sources, such as phone and email records. In particular, the rules require the government to have “made all reasonable attempts to obtain the information from alternative, non-media sources” before investigators may target a reporter’s information.

    It is not clear whether investigators exhausted all of their avenues of information before confiscating Ms. Watkins’s information. She was not notified before they gained access to her information from the telecommunications companies. Among the records seized were those associated with her university email address from her undergraduate years.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/u...ds-seized.html

    Sounds like Sessions is taking this to a whole new level.
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    is Nunes next?
    LOL - everyone on Twitter was asking that

    I bit more "context to this story


    The Justice Department announced late Thursday that a former employee of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) has been accused and arrested for lying to FBI special agents about his ongoing communication with three reporters by way of encrypted messaging applications and about allegedly provided two reporters with private information.


    The intrigue: Arresting a member of SSCI while the committee is investigating matters of the Russia probe is unusual, and could have an affect on committee staff conducting the inquiry. Just one day prior, it was reported that special counsel Robert Mueller had requested that some witnesses in his investigation turn in their cellphones so his team can look at their encrypted messaging apps including WhatsApp, Confide, Signal and Dust.

    Earlier this week, federal prosecutors working for Mueller accused Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, of attempting to tamper with witnesses. The court documents said Manafort tried to contact them by phone and through an encrypted messaging program.

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    So did they just zero in on the one female reporter because she had been dating Wolfe? She has denied getting any classified info from him. Does this have anything to do with the Mueller investigation? Mmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    this is just being reported out. It's chilling to ever see the Justice Department go after journalist. This started under Obama. First time under Trump. Except, it would appear that the Justice Department did not follow their own regulations concerning seizing these records.http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...records-report
    I have to agree. This is sketchy. I am going to want to learn more.

    It's too authoritarian to me. I think our press has sucked, but we shouldn't be going there. Bust them on the leaker side, but not through the receivers in the press.
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