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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    If you believe Kim is interested in helping his people. I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Shit man, Kim had members of his own family killed!
    Kim Jong Un, Republican Hero. Trump's called Kim smart, a great negotiator, trusting, honorable, worthy, talented, and loves his people. Trump said it so it's true. My God these Trumpsters got to be the most gullible cultists on earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Trump got:

    Hostages returned
    Traditionally, the U.S. does not directly negotiate with hostage takers for the purpose of freeing them, as it encourages future hostage taking

    We let it drag out and send a non-governmental dignitary, like Carter, to fetch them.

    The primary test site demolished
    Unproven. North Korea explicitly did not allow nuclear scientists or nonproliferation experts to view this. Only a small handful of journalists, some distance away for "safety."

    Missile halt concessions
    Not covered by the agreement, and the North has promised this before only to resume tests when the pig trough slowed up a bit

    Bodies of Korean War Americans returned.
    The U.S. had this in place for years, before the North took it away. It's not clear how many bodies may still be recoverable.

    That was even before he met Kim.
    This implies the meeting produced new developments, when it most certainly did not, except for Trump's pledge to unilaterally halt military drills, which he called "aggressive" in a major breach from all U.S. communiques on the matter to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    It was an attack on our democracy. You still don't get it, do ya?

    The only one obsessed with Obama is you. It must be a cult thing with you because you keep bring him up. The Topic is Trump and Kim Jong Un and the Glorious Summit in Singapore. Trump can't stopped drooling over Little Rocket Man. Obama talked about meeting with such leaders as Kim Jong Un in the debates with McCain and the Republicans shot it down. They said you never go into negotiations without preconditions. Trump's called Kim smart, a great negotiator, trusting, honorable, worthy, talented, and loves his people. Jesus Fucking Christ, get a room. That must be a joke right?

    We didn't win a damn thing in Singapore. Your boy Trump is practically blowing Kim Jong Un and you think this is a good thing? Russia and China won though. I'm sure you are good with that.
    Oh weird. Now that it comes around to all the times Obama bent over for the Russians, you want to change the subject.
    And you cult of Obama members can shut the fuck up about kowtowing to dictators. It this were Obama he would have sent pallets of money or at least bowed to Kim on camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    And kept away from them for decades because they ARE THE NUMBER 1 STATE SPONSOR OF TERRORISM IN THE WORLD.

    I guess Obama didn't think Fast and Furious was furious enough. He had to fund worldwide terrorism to the tune of hundreds of billions.
    And it wasn't their money. First of all, the only claim that the Hague would have ruled against the US is the Obama admin saying they would have. And even if they had, Iran owed that money to the families of terror victims. That was already ruled on by the courts.
    I love this argument that since Rhodes realized his lying arrogant mouth said too much and tried to walk it back, we have no choice but to believe him.

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    And you cult of Obama members can shut the fuck up
    This is getting so tiresome. Obama's foreign policy legacy remained intact until Trump unilaterally tore it down over the objections of nearly all of our allies.

    It had flaws — on Libya and Syria, great big ones. But it didn't have a global consensus behind it for nothing.

    "We're America, bitch" is now something the Republican Party has to own, in addition to the aftermath of Trump's arson. You should accept this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    This is getting so tiresome. Obama's foreign policy legacy remained intact until Trump unilaterally tore it down over the objections of nearly all of our allies.

    It had flaws — on Libya and Syria, great big ones. But it didn't have a global consensus behind it for nothing.

    "We're America, bitch" is now something the Republican Party has to own, in addition to the aftermath of Trump's arson. You should accept this.
    And what a legacy it was : rolling over for Russia, diddling while ISIS stomped through the Middle East, normalizing relations with Cuba for approximately nothing, standing by while the largest humanitarian disaster in a generation took place in Syria, turning Libya into a failed state... There was no part of the world more stable at the end of the Obama Administration than the start of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    NK newswires are reporting Trump gave in to Kim's "demand" that the US should stop war games. Both sides spinning madly.
    Considering that both the Pentagon and South Korea were caught by surprise with it, spin is going to be the only way to try to explain it.

    Suddenly Trump calls it "provocative"..... REALLY? Since when did Trump become concerned about being provocative? This cancellation seems just what Kim J.-u and China wanted......an opening. South Koreans may feel a bit rattled by this, considering how NK has gone back on their word, before and the most vulnerable in this deal are the South Koreans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And what a legacy it was : rolling over for Russia, diddling while ISIS stomped through the Middle East, normalizing relations with Cuba for approximately nothing, standing by while the largest humanitarian disaster in a generation took place in Syria, turning Libya into a failed state... There was no part of the world more stable at the end of the Obama Administration than the start of it.
    Cuba was going to happen sooner or later. They pose no threat to us, they're in our sphere of influence, and they're hardly the first authoritarian Caribbean regime the U.S. has embraced. I have never understood why conservatives remain so toxically enraged about this. Not even the Cuban exiles of Florida consider this to be a big deal anymore, on net.

    Obama made significant progress with Medvedev, then failed to understand what was happening when Putin returned, just like everyone else.

    You can't have your cake and eat it too — either we were wrong to overthrow Gaddafi, who would've done exactly what Assad has done, or we should have overthrown Assad. And the Republican Party is fully, completely, 100 percent culpable in the U.S. ultimate course of action. The policy was put in place to materially destroy ISIS in Syria, and that worked.

    Aside from Korea, major progress occurred with Asia as Obama headed out the door. Trumped ripped it up. Aside from Venezuela, which we have no moral or practical prerogative to directly alter after the Cold War, the U.S. had better relations with Latin America than in many years, largely amid the progress with Cuba. Africa generated as many bad headlines as ever, but on the whole it improved. Europe and the U.S. were largely singing the same tune on several problematic issues when Obama left office. That's entirely gone now.

    I get it, you hate Obama. But there's no comparison to his mistakes and this nonsense that's going on now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And what a legacy it was : rolling over for Russia, diddling while ISIS stomped through the Middle East, normalizing relations with Cuba for approximately nothing, standing by while the largest humanitarian disaster in a generation took place in Syria, turning Libya into a failed state... There was no part of the world more stable at the end of the Obama Administration than the start of it.
    "Rolling over for Russia"??????? HUH????? What planet are you on?

    Has Donald Trump 'been much tougher on Russia' than Barack Obama? | PolitiFact

    Flynn Promised That Russia Sanctions Would Be ?Ripped Up?

    https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/do...t-russia/2259/


    Trump refuses to enact sanctions voted on by Congress
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8184866.html

    And then undercuts his own Ambassador to the UN.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...russia/558206/



    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...russia/558206/


    So normalizing relations with Cuba is evil, not wanting to say mean things about Russia and wanting to deal with NK, are good? Looks more like partisanship to me. Anything Obama did = bad......anything Trump does = good. Forget whether anyone looks at anything, besides what political party someone belongs to, like is what someone did, good or bad, not who's doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    if Trump can get Kim to getting rid of his nukes I'll be the first to give him credit. But, it's still disappointing that Trump doesn't seem to care about human rights violations in NK. I don't agree with the administrations stance on that. Trump got Kim to back down by threatening not to have the talks. He should make human rights a part of deal. It's probably more likely to succeed than Kim following through with denuclearization anyway.
    Un isn't going to give up his nukes.

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