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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    If you believe Kim is interested in helping his people. I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Shit man, Kim had members of his own family killed!
    I think he is now, all the money was cut off from his country. Surprising what happened when China cooperated in putting pressure on them

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    The most remarkable aspect of the joint statement was what it didn’t contain. There was nothing about North Korea freezing plutonium and uranium programs, nothing about destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, nothing about allowing inspectors to return to nuclear sites, nothing about North Korea making a full declaration of its nuclear program, nothing about a timetable, nothing about verification, not even any clear pledge to permanently halt testing of nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.

    Kim seems to have completely out-negotiated Trump, and it’s scary that Trump doesn’t seem to realize this. For now Trump has much less to show than past negotiators who hammered out deals with North Korea like the 1994 Agreed Framework, which completely froze the country’s plutonium program with a rigorous monitoring system. Trump made a big deal in his news conference about recovering the remains of American soldiers from the Korean War, but this is nothing new. Back in 1989, on my first trip to North Korea, officials there made similar pledges about returning remains, and indeed North Korea has returned some remains over the years. It’s not clear how many more remain.

    Trump claimed an “excellent relationship” with Kim, and it certainly is better for the two leaders to be exchanging compliments rather than missiles. In a sense, Trump has eased the tensions that he himself created when he threatened last fall to “totally destroy” North Korea. I’m just not sure a leader should get credit for defusing a crisis that he himself created.

    There’s still plenty we don’t know and lots of uncertainty about the future. But for now, the bottom line is that there’s no indication that North Korea is prepared to give up its nuclear weapons, and Trump didn’t achieve anything remotely as good as the Iran nuclear deal, which led Iran to eliminate 98 percent of its enriched uranium.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/o...rth-korea.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Are you trying to be funny?
    You don't find Trump's comments about how great Kim is to be disturbing in the least?

    "He loves his people". Let that sink in a minute.

    Trump actually said that.

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    Breaking: Someone filmed Trump meeting with Kim and his entourage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wphCxNUpLwg


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    We can all sleep well now, our dear Leader of Condominiums on Mars has declared the nuclear threat from North Korea to have ended sometime during his flight back to Washington. When our dear leader of timeshares and golf courses says it is so, it is so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    WASHINGTON—U.S. foreign policy analysts on Tuesday said the U.S. appeared to have given away more than it had received in return in talks between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, and took note of the lack of details in the joint communiqué the two men signed. “Did you really need a summit to get this document?” asked Victor Cha, a Georgetown University professor and North Korea expert once under consideration by the Trump administration for ambassador to South Korea, on MSNBC. The meeting was “clearly a historic thing and “a good start in terms of diplomacy,” he said, but added there remained a “very long way to go.”

    Former National Security Agency and Central Intelligence Agency director Michael Hayden said the U.S. had made a “pretty significant concession” in agreeing to halt joint military exercises with South Korea. He said at this stage in the game, a proverbial stopped clock would show “the North Koreans would be way ahead on points” for having been treated as equals in negotiations. “That’s a gift that will keep on giving for the North Koreans,” he said.

    Christopher Hill, head of the U.S. delegation to six-party talks over North Korea during the Bush administration, described the document on MSNBC as “a very loose initial framework” that “frankly…doesn’t really advance the ball” in part because it said nothing about the role of any other country in the region.

    He said that the next step for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo should be to forget about it and chalk the summit up to “feel-good theatrics.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-ana...=hp_lead_pos12

    Kind of thinking the actual experts in this area know what they are talking about.

    And again for like the 10th time. Kim got just want he wanted when Trump was foolish enough to meet him face to face. A murderous dictator no less.
    The whole deal stinks to high heaven Jenn - And now he's tweeting even MORE complements about his Kimmy.

    *Warning - Spending too much time on the Adolf Twitler's feed may cause dizziness & nausea.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    LoL - that's a good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Putin wakes up with a smile on his face every morning. He did it. He got the guy elected that would piss off our Allies and embrace our Adversaries.

    Trump wants to be an Dictator just like Kim, Putin, and Xi.
    He probably dreams each night of feeding WaPo and NYT reporters to hungry dogs. That's "strength" in Trumplandia

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    So this is kind of awesome


    The George W. Bush Presidential Center is tweeting out coverage and analysis of human rights abuses in North Korea in the wake of President Trump’s historic summit with the country’s leader on Tuesday.

    The center has shared older posts on the human rights violations as well as pieces arguing for human rights to be included in future talks with North Korea.

    Asked about the posts, a spokesperson for the Bush Center told The Hill that it was “simply sharing content that we work on every day within our Human Freedom Initiative.”

    The spokesperson did not directly respond to an emailed question about whether the center was advocating for Trump to raise the human rights issues with North Korean leaders, or whether the former president or his office had any involvement in the decision to highlight the issue.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...s-abuses-after
    Bushie drove me nuts but I'd take him back in half a second right about now. And his presidential center is doing some admirable work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    NK newswires are reporting Trump gave in to Kim's "demand" that the US should stop war games. Both sides spinning madly.
    God I'd love to see transcripts - I'd bet a buck to make a quarter that's precisely how it went down.

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