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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Oh weird. Now that it comes around to all the times Obama bent over for the Russians, you want to change the subject.
    And you cult of Obama members can shut the fuck up about kowtowing to dictators. It this were Obama he would have sent pallets of money or at least bowed to Kim on camera.
    So when is Trump going to call for Russia to leave Crimea? Never. Trump is blowing Putin too. If Obama had tried to meet with NK and said all these wonderful things about KJU they would have called him a traitor. Trump's called Kim smart, a great negotiator, trusting, honorable, worthy, talented, and loves his people. But he's white, that's different. Your President Scumbag couldn't carry Obama's Jockstrap.

    I remember another President that sent pallets of cash to Iraq. That worked out great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    The most remarkable aspect of the joint statement was what it didn’t contain. There was nothing about North Korea freezing plutonium and uranium programs, nothing about destroying intercontinental ballistic missiles, nothing about allowing inspectors to return to nuclear sites, nothing about North Korea making a full declaration of its nuclear program, nothing about a timetable, nothing about verification, not even any clear pledge to permanently halt testing of nuclear weapons or long-range missiles.

    Kim seems to have completely out-negotiated Trump, and it’s scary that Trump doesn’t seem to realize this. For now Trump has much less to show than past negotiators who hammered out deals with North Korea like the 1994 Agreed Framework, which completely froze the country’s plutonium program with a rigorous monitoring system. Trump made a big deal in his news conference about recovering the remains of American soldiers from the Korean War, but this is nothing new. Back in 1989, on my first trip to North Korea, officials there made similar pledges about returning remains, and indeed North Korea has returned some remains over the years. It’s not clear how many more remain.

    Trump claimed an “excellent relationship” with Kim, and it certainly is better for the two leaders to be exchanging compliments rather than missiles. In a sense, Trump has eased the tensions that he himself created when he threatened last fall to “totally destroy” North Korea. I’m just not sure a leader should get credit for defusing a crisis that he himself created.

    There’s still plenty we don’t know and lots of uncertainty about the future. But for now, the bottom line is that there’s no indication that North Korea is prepared to give up its nuclear weapons, and Trump didn’t achieve anything remotely as good as the Iran nuclear deal, which led Iran to eliminate 98 percent of its enriched uranium.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/o...rth-korea.html
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/nort...define-it.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    We can all sleep well now, our dear Leader of Condominiums on Mars has declared the nuclear threat from North Korea to have ended sometime during his flight back to Washington. When our dear leader of timeshares and golf courses says it is so, it is so.
    Did you hear his comments about real estate development potential in NK? I saw him say this sort of thing, on camera.


    “North Korea has great beaches,” Trump told reporters. “You see that whenever they’re exploding cannons into the ocean. I said, ‘Boy, look at that view. Wouldn’t that make a great condo?’ ”

    Trump said he advised Kim that instead of pursuing his nuclear ambitions, he should build “the best hotels in the world” on North Korea’s coastline to boost the country’s economy. (do you think he also recommended that they have T R U M P in big letters pasted on the side of them?)

    “Think of it from a real estate perspective,” Trump said.

    "The president added that Kim seemed interested in a video he was shown presenting possible economic projects that could take place in North Korea if it does in fact denuclearize."

    https://people.com/politics/donald-t...korea-beaches/


    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/6/12/...th-korea-video



    Talk about "SELF PROMOTION"

    Would anyone guess that Kim Jong-un is going to be anymore willing to share a spotlight with Donald Trump anymore that Donald Trump would allow Kin Jong-un to move in on Trump's hogging of the spotlight? If anything, Kim Jong-un might accept such a video tape, take it home and edit OUT Donald Trump or at the very minimum, put his own name and photo, ahead of Donald Trump's.

    While some might argue the U.S. is the greatest nation in the world and DJT as President, by proxy, the greatest leader in the world. I would imagine that is NOT something Kim Jong-un wants to play well or promote in NK, anymore than DJT wants the free press to report reality, when it comes to comparing his facade to reality.



    SELF-DEALING
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleae.../#294f0051a3b8
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    I guess you don't bother reading your own articles?


    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Tuesday signed an agreement that "reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

    That may sound promising, but many experts warned ahead of the historic summit between Kim and U.S. President Donald Trump that North Korea likely has a different understanding of what denuclearization entails.

    North Korea's concept of denuclearization, made clear through years of failed discussions with the international community, "bears no resemblance to the American definition," Evans J.R. Revere, a nonresident senior fellow at Brookings, wrote in a note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    America matters, party politics doesn't.
    then why are you posting things that don't matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Ever notice how the countries within missile range of Iran are against the deal? The reason those other countries supported the deal is because they were selling out to their corporate interests. I do not care about Russian or European corporate interests.
    Ben Rhodes bragged about selling the Iran Deal with a misinformation campaign and you still drink the kool aid. There is no evidence that the Hague would have ruled against the US. The Obama administration wanted to hand over billions to Iran and they found their excuse. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why they sent literal piles of cash on pallets instead of just transferring the money electronically?
    Meanwhile, the deal does nothing to roll back Iran's nuclear program. At best, it is simply suspended for a few years. If they aren't already conducting research in secret, which the documents that Israel found indicate they are, then they can simply pick up where they left off in a few years. Only thanks to Obama they'll be richer and stronger.
    Remember how Iran shot down those protesters in the streets not to long ago? The Iran Deal paid for those bullets.
    Perhaps you failed to notice this?

    U.S., Israel sign $38 billion military aid package
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN11K2CI

    Tell us, how many billions were "handed over" to Iran in comparison?

    Are some really worried about nuclear proliferation or only about having a ready supply of scapegoats they can use for political purposes?


    http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/lange2/

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...7014_full.html

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...vice-1.5480357

    https://fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm


    And you still WONDER why Iran might want, what others have or how the Iran deal at minimum, acted as a delay in that process, if not a chance to deter it?

    So far, what is the only nation in the history of the world to have used nuclear weapons, much less in the same way they feared others would use them?

    Who can be the lead in putting that cat back in the bag, by example?

    Who's going to listen to an "example" of do as I say, not as I do and why should they?

    Give someone a reason to believe they don't need to be worried so much about being bullied by nations with powerful weapons instead of giving then MORE reasons to believe they will be, and all the more reasons why they want things like nukes, to level the playing field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I guess you don't bother reading your own articles?


    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Tuesday signed an agreement that "reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

    That may sound promising, but many experts warned ahead of the historic summit between Kim and U.S. President Donald Trump that North Korea likely has a different understanding of what denuclearization entails.

    North Korea's concept of denuclearization, made clear through years of failed discussions with the international community, "bears no resemblance to the American definition," Evans J.R. Revere, a nonresident senior fellow at Brookings, wrote in a note.
    We are going to give North Korea nothing until he destroys he nuclear arsenal. We are doing that with inspections. We are not taking his word that he is destroying them, because he has lied in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBo View Post
    Right ^

    Yes right, Your party is not running the country. Sorry , your people weren't elected

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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    You put a Habitual Liar, Pussy Grabber, and Child Molester supporter in the White House. You already lost your mind.
    You have said all this, now prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    then why are you posting things that don't matter?
    Such as?

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