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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    loves them so much he tortures anyone not speaking highly of him and murders the families of those who attempt to escape.
    Yes, on both points. He remains in power by demonstrating strength. You have absolutely no question who is the leader of North Korea. Neither does the world. In the US, we have such political divide driven by that dissent that some believe Russian was able to influence the outcome of an election. Will a deserter think twice about fleeing knowing that the family that he has left behind could be in harm's way? I'm not saying that I agree with anything that Kim Jong Un has done. I am simply pointing out that while we think our way is the right way, it is not seen that way in many parts of the world.

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    I see you are doing a little research into NK's past leaders? Did you know George Washington was our first president?
    What if I told you that George Washington was not our first president? Think about this, what year did George Washington take office? 1789. What year did we become a country? 1776. Who was in charge of the executive branch in between those years? Have you ever heard the name John Hanson? Our Forgotten “Presidents”

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    If Obama had been fucking stupid enough to so much as talk about terminating military exercises or dropping sanctions on NK before we get ANYTHING in return you would be livid and you are a liar if you claim otherwise.
    Interesting. You have no idea what I would say in that situation, because it didn't happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Since when is nuclear weapons the only ones considered weapons of mass destruction? And yes I'm sure he believes that and he is just hoping trump is fucking stupid enough to think otherwise. looks like he is right.
    Nuclear weapons are not the only weapons of mass destruction. However, they are the only ones that are at that level of destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Are you aware that both China and Russia share a border with North Korea?
    I'm not sure what your point here really is, but......The border between North Korea and Russia is only 10.5 miles long. I could WALK that border in two hours. The border between North Korea and China is 880 miles long. If the North Korean regime were to collapse, which is a very real possibility, since North Korea is an economic basket case, it would be CHINA, and not Russia, that would face the economic repercussions. You would have millions of starving North Koreans flooding across the border with China, NOT the border with Russia.

    Beyond that, the larger point is that China is a RISING power, whereas Russia is a declining power. It is only the hyper-aggressiveness of Vladimir Putin that masks that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    That is why he will not give up the nuclear program easily. His worry is the security of his nation from the United States. This is why the North Koreans want assurances of their safety from the USA as their part of giving up their nuclear program. We have had field artillery on the border for decades. I honestly believe that North Korea and South Korea would like to see the US Army out of there. In the end, I think there is a good chance that there could be a reunification of Korea, which would be good for both sides.
    Reunification of the two Koreas would be MUCH harder than reunification of the two Germanies was, because the difference in the level of economic development is MUCH greater in the case of South vs North Korea than it was in the case of West vs East Germany.

    Just a dose of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Reunification of the two Koreas would be MUCH harder than reunification of the two Germanies was, because the difference in the level of economic development is MUCH greater in the case of South vs North Korea than it was in the case of West vs East Germany.

    Just a dose of reality.


    Do you want trump to succeed in fixing the n. korea issue once and for all? why or why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I'm not sure what your point here really is, but......The border between North Korea and Russia is only 10.5 miles long. I could WALK that border in two hours. The border between North Korea and China is 880 miles long. If the North Korean regime were to collapse, which is a very real possibility, since North Korea is an economic basket case, it would be CHINA, and not Russia, that would face the economic repercussions. You would have millions of starving North Koreans flooding across the border with China, NOT the border with Russia.

    Beyond that, the larger point is that China is a RISING power, whereas Russia is a declining power. It is only the hyper-aggressiveness of Vladimir Putin that masks that.
    Russia wants to build a bridge to North Korea. Literally.

    I constantly watch people type posts about the decline of Russia. Russia annexed Crimea to the world's outrage, yet no one has done anything about it. Why?

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    Backpedalling from what?
    You post a lot of nonsense.
    Sometimes it's best to remain silent rather than remove all doubt.
    Backpedaling from your earlier statements regarding morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Russia wants to build a bridge to North Korea. Literally.

    I constantly watch people type posts about the decline of Russia. Russia annexed Crimea to the world's outrage, yet no one has done anything about it. Why?
    What on EARTH do you mean no one has done anything about it?!?? We imposed VERY harsh sanctions against Russia for their seizure of Crimea AND for their invasion of Ukraine, sanctions that were causing grave damage to the Russian economy. Damage so grave that it led Vladimir Putin to MEDDLE in the 2016 American Presidential election and do everything he could to help Donald Trump get elected President, because Mr. Trump was making so many friendly noises about both Russia and Mr. Putin, and because Mr. Putin LOATHED Hillary Clinton----and had some pretty good reasons for doing so, since she had started comparing him to Adolf Hitler after his seizure of Crimea.

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    Only in hardcore Leftyville.
    If by hardcore Leftyville, you mean reality, then we agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Do you want trump to succeed in fixing the n. korea issue once and for all? why or why not?
    I would LOVE to see Trump "succeed in fixing the [North Korea] issue once and for all", of COURSE. He just got NOTHING MUCH on this trip. It was a MAJOR propaganda victory for the Kim regime. For some reason, you and the other Trump supporters are having a VERY hard time understanding that.

    Did you want Obama to succeed in stopping Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon? Why or why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Reunification of the two Koreas would be MUCH harder than reunification of the two Germanies was, because the difference in the level of economic development is MUCH greater in the case of South vs North Korea than it was in the case of West vs East Germany.

    Just a dose of reality.
    Have you ever been to Korea? Your posts show your ignorance of the region, the countries, and the people. The younger generations in SK are opposed to reunification but that is not so with their parents and grandparents. If the two countries were unified, they could do away with the DMZ. The people of Seoul could no longer live concerned about the possibility of a nuclear missile attack from the all too close enemy. What will keep it from happening is China. When Germany was reunified, Russia really no longer cared about East Germany.

    Yes, the differences are vast. In some ways, South Korea's success has put it into a bind. South Korea has over 1300 people per square mile. That is 25th on the highest population density in the world as countries go. Ever visit Hong Kong? They are 4th. You can't walk down a city street at lunchtime. North Korea has a highly skilled workforce and a wealth of mineral resources. South Korea has the modern technology and the relationships with other countries. The two countries both have both found it necessary to maintain large militaries. North Korea has a 10 year conscription while South Korea still has a draft. South Korea has a median age of 41-years-old, North Korea has a median age of 33-years-old. North Korea has a population density of around 200 people per square mile compared to South Korea's 1300 people per square mile.

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