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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBo View Post
    Dunno - Was reading the other day that NY was trying to change their law. Apparently at present there's a loophole of some sort that protects a presidential pardon due to "double jeopardy".

    In New York, Push to Bypass Trump?s Pardon Power Gains Traction | Observer

    However, even if they don't get the law changed, NY State could come after Cohen for RELATED crimes .. they shouldn't have any shortage of those.

    Now the "preemptive pardon" concept is another gray area. I don't THINK Trump can pardon him before he is charged with at least one crime.
    I would not take stock in one article by a publication Jared Kusher used to own.

    Agree with you assessment about him having to be charged with a crime first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    In the interest of fairness - there seems to be different version's of this story.

    However, the Wall Street Journal’s Rebecca Ballhaus reported that while a change in Cohen’s legal team is expected, Cohen hasn’t yet made up his mind on cooperation, per a source. And CNN’s Gloria Borger and Katelyn Polantz report that, per a source, Cohen has “not yet met with prosecutors to speak about a potential deal, and it’s unclear whether either side is seeking one.” And the New York Times reports that the change in lawyers is “primarily” because Cohen is having trouble paying his legal bills. So it’s not entirely clear what is going on here.

    If Cohen does end up making a plea deal, it could be a development of monumental importance to the Trump presidency. Cohen has been by Trump’s side for over a decade, and has been involved in all manner of suspicious activity: from sex scandal hush money payoffs, to eyebrow-raising real estate transactions involving huge sums of money, to an effort to build Trump properties abroad (including in Moscow).

    It isn’t clear what information, exactly, Cohen might have of criminal activity. But he’s been in prosecutors’ sights for some time. Several months ago, special counsel Robert Mueller handed off some information about Cohen to the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York (SDNY). And on April 9, the FBI raided Cohen’s office and residence, at SDNY’s behest.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/174585...ohen-plea-deal

    Maybe will know for sure today or tomorrow?
    Deal or no deal, it looks like by early next week the prosecutors will have access to tons of incriminating evidence seized from Cohen in those raids and indictments will be coming quickly thereafter.

    I don't understand why some PH Righties don't want the truth to come out and the guilty punished?
    This goes way beyond partisan politics into the Right vs Wrong category and much of the evidence will be irrefutable documentary and audio tapes of the accused themselves.

    Do any Righties really believe that Republican presidents are gods and above our laws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBo View Post
    Dunno - Was reading the other day that NY was trying to change their law. Apparently at present there's a loophole of some sort that protects a presidential pardon due to "double jeopardy".

    In New York, Push to Bypass Trump?s Pardon Power Gains Traction | Observer

    However, even if they don't get the law changed, NY State could come after Cohen for RELATED crimes .. there shouldn't be any shortage of those.

    Now the "preemptive pardon" concept is another gray area. I don't THINK Trump can pardon him before he is charged with at least one crime.

    Yes. The President may preemptively pardon. That's how Ford pardoned Nixon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    When is the impeachment?
    If the president uses his pardon power on Cohen, Manafort, Flynn or especially himself, all bets are off.

    Otherwise, it depends on how the case goes from here. So far, Trump hasn't shown the guts to try to directly interfere despite ratcheting pressure.

    It would take a pretty explosive, public report from Mueller to put Trump in jeopardy before Jan. 2019, and most likely after that point.

    Pelosi has made clear that she is not campaigning to impeach and will be sure to roadblock the leftists doing so without solid cause. It's a political loser.

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    Exclamation Breaking: Cohen Dropped His Legal Representation, Expected to Cooperate With Mueller

    Michael Cohen Dropped His Legal Representation, Is Expected to Cooperate with Mueller


    The bombshell we were all expecting finally dropped today, as ABC just reported that “a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for [Michael] Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward,” and that Cohen is now “likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said.”

    This comes two days before Judge Kimba Wood’s deadline for his legal team to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents collected by the FBI when they raided Cohen’s offices on April 9th, and one day after uber-conservative insider Gabriel Sherman’s report in Vanity Fair that contained this nugget:

    Trump allies view the legal cloud hanging over Trump’s former attorney and fixer, Michael Cohen, as at least as ominous as the obstruction investigation. According to a source close to Cohen, Cohen has told friends that he expects to be arrested any day now. (Reached for comment, Cohen wrote in a text message, “Your alleged source is wrong!”) The specter of Cohen flipping has Trump advisers on edge. “Trump should be super worried about Michael Cohen,” a former White House official said. “If anyone can blow up Trump, it’s him.”

    Maybe Trump can have a summit with Mueller.

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    Rachel Maddow's show tonight is highlighting the similarity between Cohen and Herbert W. Kalmbach.....Nixon's lawyer and just as bad a criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_W._Kalmbach

    Mr. Kalmbach joined me down here on September 15, 2017 and I'm getting Mr. Cohen's room ready.

    I have prepared a large separate wing down here for Trump and many members of his cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    If the president uses his pardon power on Cohen, Manafort, Flynn or especially himself, all bets are off.

    Otherwise, it depends on how the case goes from here. So far, Trump hasn't shown the guts to try to directly interfere despite ratcheting pressure.

    It would take a pretty explosive, public report from Mueller to put Trump in jeopardy before Jan. 2019, and most likely after that point.

    Pelosi has made clear that she is not campaigning to impeach and will be sure to roadblock the leftists doing so without solid cause. It's a political loser.
    I'm thinking/hoping that Mueller will not put all his eggs in the impeachment/political basket but will go the judicial way instead or in conjunction.

    Justice has a better chance of being served in court rather than in the corrupt/Republican controlled Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Defense attorneys in cases such as this will typically quit if their client decides to cooperate and seek a lighter hand.

    The skills to get him through trial are a different ballgame than those involved in negotiating with someone like Mueller.

    Some attorneys might be able to do both, but the stakes are so high, it's not a surprise Cohen wants a specialist.

    Trump's problem is, that specialist will almost certainly advise Cohen to not hold anything back. Mueller will know if he does.
    He knows he will be facing charges eventually in NY so he naturally is going to want attorneys that specialize in criminal defense in NY, not PR lawyers from Washington DC

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