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    Trump says Crimea is Russian

    President Donald Trump told G7 leaders that Crimea is Russian because everyone who lives there speaks Russian, according to two diplomatic sources.

    Trump made the remarks over dinner last Friday during a discussion on foreign affairs at the G7 summit in Quebec, Canada, one of the diplomats told BuzzFeed News.

    The sources spoke on the condition of anonymity as they were not authorised to speak on the matter.

    Russia invaded and then annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, leading to widespread international condemnation and sanctions. It also directly led to Russia being kicked out of the then-G8. Russian President Vladimir Putin defended Russiaís intervention in Crimea at the time saying that he had the right to protect Russian citizens and Russian speakers in Ukraine.

    During the dinner, Trump also seemed to question why the G7 leaders were siding with Ukraine. The president told leaders that "Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world," the source said.

    It is unclear whether Trumpís comments were throwaway remarks said in jest, or whether he was signalling a radical departure from current US foreign policy.

    The White House did not respond to a request for comment.
    Trump Told G7 Leaders That Crimea Is Russian Because Everyone Speaks Russian In Crimea

    LMAO Well, he ain't wrong: most people in Crimea DO speak Russian at home; and Ukraine DOES have corruption issues at least as bad as in Russia, if not worse, in some ways (Putin has at least centralized it in Moscow and does maintain some kind of orderly system, even if based on fear; in Kiev, various oligarchs just do whatever the fuck they want...)
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    He probably should send a memo to Obama.

    I still don't think he understands what the rest of the world knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    He probably should send a memo to Obama.

    I still don't think he understands what the rest of the world knows.
    Yes.. and while they send that memo... also cc the UK and Spain.. based on our main languages spoken here in the US, we are definitely either English, or Spanish.

    Geee, everytime i think you guys can't get anymore ridiculous.. you blow my imagination.

    But could be Spain as we
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Yes.. and while they send that memo... also cc the UK and Spain.. based on our main languages spoken here in the US, we are definitely either English, or Spanish.

    Geee, everytime i think you guys can't get anymore ridiculous.. you blow my imagination.

    But could be Spain as we
    Not sure what that means...

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    He's correct. It doesn't excuse Russia for starting a war over it, and his reasons are characteristically thoughtless.

    Does he think the eastern sections of all of the Baltic States and Poland, full of Russian speakers, belong to Russia?

    Will he repeat this rhetoric if Putin tries any adventures in those areas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    He probably should send a memo to Obama.

    I still don't think he understands what the rest of the world knows.
    Yes, Donald Trump probably should send a memo.....or a formal APOLOGY.....to Obama. Because he RAKED Obama over hot coals, for supposedly doing NOTHING about Russia seizing Crimea. And how here he is saying Crimea belongs to Russia, anyhow.

    And it was wildly untrue that Obama did 'nothing' about the seizure of Crimea, in the first place. We imposed very harsh sanctions on Russia, which were causing serious damage to the Russian economy. Damage that led Vladimir Putin to roll the dice, and decide to MEDDLE in the 2016 American Presidential election in a major way, and do whatever he could do, to help Donald Trump win the Electoral College.


    And the rest is history, as they say.


    Still playing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    He's correct. It doesn't excuse Russia for starting a war over it, and his reasons are characteristically thoughtless.

    Does he think the eastern sections of all of the Baltic States and Poland, full of Russian speakers, belong to Russia?

    Will he repeat this rhetoric if Putin tries any adventures in those areas?
    To be fair, no part of any Baltic country has such historical and cultural connection to Russia and Russians as Crimea.

    Even a religious dimension to it: I wrote about Khersones before

    where the Greeks baptized Vladimir I, the first Orthodox Tsar of what was then Kiev Rus, 1000 years ago... Where, essentially, Russian Orthodox Christianity begins.

    Of course, the Ukrainians also descend from Vladimir's Kiev Rus, in fact, this shared historical heritage is what fuels the continuity online and offline verbal battles between Russian and Ukrainian historians and others, about who owns Vladimir's legacy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    To be fair, no part of any Baltic country has such historical and cultural connection to Russia and Russians as Crimea.
    I'm aware. Crimea belongs to Russia not because of who lives there, but because it DID belong to Russia until the Soviets decided to treat internal geography like a game of Connect the Dots in the assumption it wouldn't ever matter because they would always be in power... or some other stupid thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Not sure what that means...
    was a left over from previous sentence that i rephrased when writing the post. Should have been not in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I'm aware. Crimea belongs to Russia not because of who lives there, but because it DID belong to Russia until the Soviets decided to treat internal geography like a game of Connect the Dots in the assumption it wouldn't ever matter because they would always be in power... or some other stupid thing.
    Truthfully, it was economically pragmatic, back then, in the 50s. Crimea has a land connection to Ukraine, unlike to Russia. It was far easier to build the infrastructure to supply it with everything, from Ukraine. And, yeah, it was all one Soviet Union then too, so, nobody really cared...

    Stalin actually considered, back in the 40s, to build a bridge there from Russia, but it was too expensive or something. And I think the Nazis actually created some temporary one while they occupied Crimea, in fact, I believe, Speer, Hitler's favorite architect, may have helped design it. But they blew it up as they retreated from there later in the War.

    Putin did it now though. At a huge financial cost, but he has actually built a damn bridge to Crimea, at least the highway portion so far. A historic accomplishment, I have to grant him that.
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