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    Quote Originally Posted by Blah View Post
    I have no information that would make me believe that was part of the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    There is no Due process in an abortion the person that dies has no hearing or say or appeal
    A fetus is not a person, or even a U.S. citizen in the eyes of the law. This is why they have no social security numbers, and cannot be declared as dependents on your taxes. They are also uncounted on the U.S. census. Outside the context of the abortion (and related) debates, fetuses don't even exist as far as the law is concerned.

    Give your newborn a cigarette, and you're breaking a law. Fail to secure your newborn in a car seat, and you're breaking a law. A pregnant woman smoking a cigarette or driving without a seat belt is not a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoaTlOver View Post
    True that this is not properly a science report. Good job figuring that out. And also true that I may have mixed up some of the terminology on this subject. Good on you again, but "when does life begin" IS a valid question regardless of your opinion otherwise.

    Life began millions of years ago. The beginning of life has nothing to do with sex or pregnancy. Dead cells don't reproduce. Living gametes don't "come to life" after fertilization. That's a ridiculous concept on it's face. Every sperm and egg cell begins it's journey alive, and most die without ever forming a blastocyst, but we don't have funerals to mark their deaths, because they aren't people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoaTlOver View Post
    ... "when does life begin" IS a valid question regardless of your opinion otherwise.
    No, it is not. It does not even make sense. You are posing a religious question, not a scientific one, and religious values do not have a place in secular governance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    There is no Due process in an abortion the person that dies has no hearing or say or appeal
    The fetus is not a person except according to your religious beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    When you do a search for this phrase WITH the quotations, you get ZERO results.

    Yes, the girl was actually crying because her mother was being questioned. The story was not retracted, rather, corrections were made to the original article.

    Well, but... She's not one of the thousands of crying children who was ripped away from their parents due to Trump's zero tolerance policy against asylum seekers, so "fake news".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Every sperm and egg cell begins it's journey alive, and most die without ever forming a blastocyst, but we don't have funerals to mark their deaths, because they aren't people.
    On the other hand, this might explain certain religious beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    A fetus is not a person, or even a U.S. citizen in the eyes of the law. This is why they have no social security numbers, and cannot be declared as dependents on your taxes. They are also uncounted on the U.S. census. Outside the context of the abortion (and related) debates, fetuses don't even exist as far as the law is concerned.

    Give your newborn a cigarette, and you're breaking a law. Fail to secure your newborn in a car seat, and you're breaking a law. A pregnant woman smoking a cigarette or driving without a seat belt is not a crime.

    Well, driving without a seatbelt is a misdemeanor in my state, but police won't take custody of your kids for violating that law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    On the other hand, this might explain certain religious beliefs.

    This argument is really about "ensoulment", which is not a scientific concept.

    People who attempt to prove their religious beliefs via science only expose their deep-seated lack of faith in their religious beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Human life does not begin. The spirit always was, always will be. When the spirit enters the body, that's when mortal, earthly life begins. we can tell when that happens because the fetus begins to show brain function. Until that time, the zygote/fetus is simply a blob of cells with no animating spirit. When the brain ceases to function, that's the sign that the spirit has left the body, and then the discarded body dies and returns to its component parts, perhaps to make up a new body eventually.

    If a blob of cells with no animating spirit is discarded before the spirit enters, then that body simply goes back to its component parts. The spirit must then wait until a new body is available. Waiting is no problem for an eternal spirit.

    It's a lot like a car, except that the driver enters and exits it many times. The car, if it is flawed on the assembly line, is discarded and recycled before anyone drives it. Once it is worn out, there is no driver, no one in it, and it is taken apart and recycled. The driver than goes on to inhabit a new car, or perhaps not. The driver may go on to another sort of life, one that doesn't involve driving a car.
    I used to think that, but as the population increases, where do the new spirits come from?
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