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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmmm.. maybe. Maybe those simple animals have simple souls.

    or maybe amoebas, insects, reptiles, and the like are more like machines made of protoplasm. They don't actually think, or make choices, after all, they just do what they were programmed to do.

    Wouldn't that imply that reptiles, etc. aren't really alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Roe V Wade speculates that viability is a legitimate time when the state can begin to regulate abortions.
    Viability is flexible dependent on available technology. It's also dependent on the technology available to the individual. When it's possible to call a fetus viable at the two-week mark with amazing new technology, it doesn't translate to that technology being available to low-income women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Viability is flexible dependent on available technology. It's also dependent on the technology available to the individual. When it's possible to call a fetus viable at the two-week mark with amazing new technology, it doesn't translate to that technology being available to low-income women.

    When (and if) such technology becomes available, then why would a woman want to endure the pain and risk of pregnancy at all? Just grow the babies in a lab. Abortion will then become a moot point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I used to think that, but as the population increases, where do the new spirits come from?

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    The government could collect all those aborted fetus and raise them in incubators, after modifying their DNA to produce higher intelligent humans. That would be humane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Do amoebas qualify as "higher animals"?

    Because, you know, they are animated.
    Some amoebas are fond of eating human brains:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naegleria_fowleri


    I declare them to be thoroughly creepy, like something out of a bad late night science fiction horror film. But they're real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    When (and if) such technology becomes available, then why would a woman want to endure the pain and risk of pregnancy at all? Just grow the babies in a lab. Abortion will then become a moot point.
    One more step towards the Borg Collective!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmmm.. maybe. Maybe those simple animals have simple souls.

    or maybe amoebas, insects, reptiles, and the like are more like machines made of protoplasm. They don't actually think, or make choices, after all, they just do what they were programmed to do.
    I am very much surprised that you would include reptiles along with amoebas and insects. Reptile brains are vastly more complex than the brains of insects, and amoebas, of course, completely lack any central nervous system. You are quite incorrect to say that reptiles "don't actually think, or make choices", or that they "just do what they were programmed to do".

    Crocodiles Grooving To Johann Sebastian Bach!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I wouldn't want to come back as an octopus but then maybe they are the future since humans can't get along.
    Such a limited view you have. You have NO idea how wonderfully exciting the erotic life of an octopus can be. Just imagine, for a moment, having EIGHT arms with which to entangle your romantic partner with.....Don't knock it until you have experienced it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Roe V Wade speculates that viability is a legitimate time when the state can begin to regulate abortions.

    Fetal Viability
    With the retirement of Justice Kennedy, and with Mr. Trump getting to appoint the next justice, it seems a near-certainty that Roe v Wade will be overturned, and we will go back to abortion being illegal in this country, which will mean a return to the era of coat-hanger abortions. A rather ugly turn for 21st century America.

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