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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Yes, Smith Island is sinking. Erosion is taking it's toll on the island.
    You seem really lost attempting to explain what is happening on the Chesapeake. Very few scientists are attributing the losses of these islands to anything other than MGW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
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    So imagine you are working with a 200 year slice of this chart. How could you not have every year be the warmest on record when slicing on the upside of any of those post glacial inclines (allowing for some anomalies)?

    And that would be true pre-industrial period as well. Those steep inclines have been around for a very long time.

    The current incline has been around for 20,000 years, right? So except for some anomalies, if we started measuring 20,000 years ago almost every year for the 18,000 years before AGW would be the "hottest year on record!"

    Imagine how much you could be scaring the public to stop fornicating or drinking wine or worshiping the sun god if you just linked the hottest year on record to whatever you could dream up?

    The opportunity for acquiring power is much greater IF you can blame mankind and exhort them to repent.
    No it would not, that is fucking stupid. The scale of that graph would look practically flat if you looked at any 1000 yr slice and during any of those rises you would not see record setting temperatures 3 out of the last 4 yrs. Four years is like a fraction of a split nanosecond compared to 420,000 years. Setting the hottest year on record every 100 yrs could cause a rise similar to your graph, not 3 out of 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Hard to find an unaligned, interested party isn't it? I agree with you. Government is not purely interested in anything but its own power. So the public needs to be vigilant and not trusting and compliant. When a governmental agency of any kind sets itself up as a dispenser of justice or truth or the American way, you can wait for Superman or be cynical.
    And when not govt but 95% of those experts in the field say it is happening only a doorknob would conclude it's all bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Certainly the FBI was very heavily politicized in favor of the Republicans, with the way they spent endless months carrying on a very showy investigation of Hillary Clinton's email habits in order to help Trump get elected, and the way Comey violated professional ethics repeatedly in the closing months of the campaign to try to hurt Clinton's chances. But is there any evidence that NASA has ever behaved in such a politicized manner? Obviously, the profile of a G-man and a space-exploration scientist are very different, in terms of their relationship with the world of politics.



    Hanson is, as you know, an extremely well respected scientist, whose work focused on planetary atmospheric physics. He's highly decorated and his views on climate have been vindicated by the data. The involvement of such a scientist with NASA at the time is a reason to give them credence, not, as you seem to imagine, a reason to doubt them. Yes, I understand that for partisan political reasons you don't like it that scientists like Hansen predicted that human greenhouse gas emissions would result in a pace of warming faster than anything ever seen in the instrument record. But doesn't the fact that they were right matter?
    Nope, doorknobs need proof!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Your graph is useless for discussing 200 year slices, obviously. The gap between some of those ticks is 50,000 years. You could slip 250 200-year-long slices between those ticks. You'd be working with time periods that slip between the graphed data points. Find yourself a graph with an appropriate scale and try again.
    Precisely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    For those who live along the coasts this is a very serious problem and is getting worse each year.

    I live in nice,calm middle America. I once wanted a home on the Ocean. Events changed my mind. Now,I am happy they did. Paradise is not Paradise any more.
    I spent my honeymoon in the Caribbean. It was beautiful, and the jewelry was half price. I asked venders how they liked living there, fine they said but hurricanes ( they just suffered one ) are terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    You seem really lost attempting to explain what is happening on the Chesapeake. Very few scientists are attributing the losses of these islands to anything other than MGW.
    I routinely boat around these areas and there are a few of these islands that are growing. Are you suggesting that water levels are rising in some areas and dropping in others? Both Tangier and Smith Island would be shrinking regardless of climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    I'm not "using" anything. Do a little research. None of these islands were lost due to "bat currents" there are no currents except for high tide and low tide. Holland Island was lost due to rising sea levels that made the island vulnerable to erosion. The bay certainly is not a "living organism."
    I don't know what the fuck a bat current is and if you don't understand what is meant by "like a living organism" it ain't me that needs to do a little research.

    This video sure looks like something alive and it's a river. the same happens with tributaries to the bay causing build up in some areas and erosion in others. It's best not to use the bay for examples of sea level rise and climate change, you have too many other confounding factors. Sure, some may be climate change related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I spent my honeymoon in the Caribbean. It was beautiful, and the jewelry was half price. I asked venders how they liked living there, fine they said but hurricanes ( they just suffered one ) are terrifying.
    Yes,I have been to many of them.St. John has the most beautiful Beaches, and Coconut Ice Cream.

    Aruba is the cleanest, Dutch. Then in Puerto Rico saw the devastation of a hurricane I fled from the year before in Florida.

    Noting compared to what they went through last year. I would love to go again. But not now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    For those who live along the coasts this is a very serious problem and is getting worse each year.

    I live in nice,calm middle America. I once wanted a home on the Ocean. Events changed my mind. Now,I am happy they did. Paradise is not Paradise any more.
    I live along the coast. It is NOT a serious problem. You've fallen for lies and propaganda.
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