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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    If the magazine is sitting right next to the gun, how is that "secure?" Everything I've ever read about gun security says that the ammunition needs to be stored in a separate place.
    With kids in the house, you need to secure the gun where they can't get to it. It doesn't matter at that point where the ammo is because they can't access the gun. Some gun owners use a lock box with a combination code. Some use a safe. We have a lock box and we keep the magazine out. A small child would have some difficulty inserting a magazine, especially at 2 years old. In the OP, I am sure the gun was completely ready to fire and the child has seen someone load the gun prior. They can't just figure this out at that age. The decision here, is balancing a decision about home protection and raising a child in the house. If we had kids living in our house, I would never bring one in the house until they were grown. My Dad kept his guns in a iron safe and he carried the combination in his wallet.

    Now as far as transport in Ohio for open carry, you must have your gun in the trunk of the car, magazine out and empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    I feel terrible for the parents. They lost their child to such a stupid, fixable mistake and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Imagine losing a child to any stupid mistake - that you could just take a moment and nullify.
    Sorry ....

    Call me callous but, I can't find it in me to feel sorry for these so called "parents" who abandoned their child, not to mention abandoned him in an unsafe environment.

    I'll leave that "feeling sorry" part to the bleeding heart liberals.

    I say prosecute the hell out of the parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    With kids in the house, you need to secure the gun where they can't get to it. It doesn't matter at that point where the ammo is because they can't access the gun. Some gun owners use a lock box with a combination code. Some use a safe. We have a lock box and we keep the magazine out. A small child would have some difficulty inserting a magazine, especially at 2 years old. In the OP, I am sure the gun was completely ready to fire and the child has seen someone load the gun prior. They can't just figure this out at that age. The decision here, is balancing a decision about home protection and raising a child in the house. If we had kids living in our house, I would never bring one in the house until they were grown. My Dad kept his guns in a iron safe and he carried the combination in his wallet.

    Now as far as transport in Ohio for open carry, you must have your gun in the trunk of the car, magazine out and empty.
    So you can open carry in Ohio but, you can't carry in your car?

    I don't think that's correct.

    Ohio has the Castle Doctrine, doesn't it?

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    At the least, get trigger locks. They are less than 10 bucks each. To me, if you aren't going to safe-store your guns and you don't even get something as cheap as trigger locks, you aren't even trying. You are asking for something bad to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Sorry ....

    Call me callous but, I can't find it in me to feel sorry for these so called "parents" who abandoned their child, not to mention abandoned him in an unsafe environment.

    I'll leave that "feeling sorry" part to the bleeding heart liberals.

    I say prosecute the hell out of the parents.
    You are callous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    So you can open carry in Ohio but, you can't carry in your car?
    Nope...it is a weird law. So if I want to open carry in Walmart, (which I never carry BTW) I would have to drive my car to Walmart and load my gun in the parking lot. I can't even drive to the range unless it is transported this way. I have to load my magazines at the range. Tenn is a little different, if a person has to do two "reaches" for the gun in the car, it is considered concealed carry, but you can transport it laying on the seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Nope...it is a weird law. So if I want to open carry in Walmart, (which I never carry BTW) I would have to drive my car to Walmart and load my gun in the parking lot. I can't even drive to the range unless it is transported this way. I have to load my magazines at the range. Tenn is a little different, if a person has to do two "reaches" for the gun in the car, it is considered concealed carry, but you can transport it laying on the seat.
    Weird but interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    So you can open carry in Ohio but, you can't carry in your car?

    I don't think that's correct.

    Ohio has the Castle Doctrine, doesn't it?
    In Tennessee your car is considered an extension of your home. One does not even need a CCL , or any sort of permit, to have a weapon in his/her car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    So you can open carry in Ohio but, you can't carry in your car?

    I don't think that's correct.

    Ohio has the Castle Doctrine, doesn't it?
    Castle Doctrine only protects your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    You are callous.
    Then I am too. Who leaves a two-year-old alone in a house? That's child endangerment right there. Add a loaded gun to the mix and that's something worse.

    I know these parents are suffering. It's a terrible tragedy. But it was clearly their fault. They deserve to face legal consequences.
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