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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    That's why I said I want this thoroughly investigated.
    Fair enough.... though probably pointless. Most of the time events like that have only two alleged witnesses, one of whom denies it happened. Unless you can show it's likely part of a pattern of behavior, by way of a lot of people alleging a similar M.O., it generally just comes down to he-said, she-said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I believe her
    Why? I haven't looked into this, so possibly she's offered some evidence other than her say-so, but if not, and I don't actually know her or have any reason to think she's either honest or dishonest, on what basis would I believe her?

    The issue you bring up, of applying old standards, is a good one, but I think we first have to get past the threshold of saying whether it ever even happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Today's movement is perfection moving forward as young men and women get it now. The relics from the past are really uncomfortable to place today's punishment on over something that was woven into a less enlightened timeframe so I'm glad I am not the only one uncomfortable with it. From the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's messages got very complicated and I think the mixed messages were reflected in courtroom treatment of victims. It took today's movement to clearly set the boundaries women have been calling for.
    I still see my son and his friends behave badly when they are out with women. Its better but they are still immature guys. What surprises me is how more forward the girls are these days. They can put some of the guys to shame with their catcalling and grabbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I believe her. The question to me is how we deal with transgressions from another era when treatment of women in the system only recognized rape and even then, blamed the victims. Al Frankin is a classic example of today v yesterday. Do we spank them with today's understanding or do we add time's perspective. I don't know.
    Was rape even a crime in *checks notes* the year 2000?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Why? I haven't looked into this, so possibly she's offered some evidence other than her say-so, but if not, and I don't actually know her or have any reason to think she's either honest or dishonest, on what basis would I believe her?

    The issue you bring up, of applying old standards, is a good one, but I think we first have to get past the threshold of saying whether it ever even happened.
    Well certainly this is vague but it does add a little perspective to it in terms of his admitted apology:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/08/62706...ks-her-silence
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Was rape even a crime in *checks notes* the year 2000?
    I think rape was called "Get dirt on the victim" in courtrooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    It depends on the man. Some men suffer from "delayed adolescence" I know 40 year old men who one would think they are really 15 years old by the way they act and talk. Trudeau is a good leader and a decent man...don't paint him the same as Trump for something he did when he was single and in his twenties. Most men will misread a message by a woman at that age. Also, you have to consider that he is a VERY attractive man and most likely women came easy to him.
    News flash here HCProf. I know men much older than 40 who still do the same thing. Do not think for one minute age slows them down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I still see my son and his friends behave badly when they are out with women. Its better but they are still immature guys. What surprises me is how more forward the girls are these days. They can put some of the guys to shame with their catcalling and grabbing.
    Girls have always been the same. They just covered it better years ago. Human narure has not changed a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    18 years ago Roy Moore dated a younger woman he later married... You cared a shit ton about that.

    I'm guessing you have buyers remorse on #metoo now that it's hurting people you like.

    Edit to clarify: I still think the age difference is creepy and weird.

    Now you're just blathering out of your butt....

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    The only reason I care about this at all is it exposes the hypocrisy of the modern liberals. A girl got her butt touched a long time ago. Meh.

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