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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Is there any evidence that Saritha Prabhu ever was a Democrat? There's this whole cottage industry of crypto-Republican columnists, who claim to have been lefties, while parroting right-wing talking points exactly. That's a valuable media niche, to get heard above the noise of all the other right-wingers parroting the same talking points. Yet, when you look for earlier columns from such purported lefties, as evidence for the existence of a time before the "party left them," all you find is more instances of them attacking the party and mouthing standard-issue right-wing talking points.

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    Fair question. On a cursory search, the earliest piece I found for her was 2014 and that was commentary on the movie "God's Not Dead," and didn't directly address her political party. It's possible she's never been one and is simply claiming that she was to bolster her credibility. It's also possible that she is speaking/writing sincerely as to her experience. I have no way to know absent additional information. As someone who was a Democrat until I was 36 but who no longer claims that label, I relate to stories such as Prabhu's. Of course, I don't fit neatly under the Republican label either (nor do I claim it.) I'm either a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative or a moderate and reviled by those on either end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Just to give you a sense of the columnist's dishonesty, she claims to have been a loyal Democrat for 15 years. Yet when you dig into her columns, you see that she wasn't even loyal enough to have voted for Hillary Clinton in the last election -- based on the faux scandals involving the Clinton Foundation and Clinton's email server. So, at what point was she actually a loyal Democrat, and what evidence is there of that?
    I don't know how long she had been a dem in 2016.

    Her point is that the dem platform is pushing moderates and sane people out.
    As a citizen, I see myself more as a political orphan — neither Democrat or Republican.
    I see myself as a political independent these days, who’ll opine based on what she sees and thinks, not along party lines.

    For what it’s worth, renegades like me are like that canary in the coal mine: We’re trying to warn Democrats when they’re tone-deaf or still don’t get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Fair question. On a cursory search, the earliest piece I found for her was 2014 and that was commentary on the movie "God's Not Dead," and didn't directly address her political party. It's possible she's never been one and is simply claiming that she was to bolster her credibility. It's also possible that she is speaking/writing sincerely as to her experience. I have no way to know absent additional information. As someone who was a Democrat until I was 36 but who no longer claims that label, I relate to stories such as Prabhu's. Of course, I don't fit neatly under the Republican label either (nor do I claim it.) I'm either a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative or a moderate and reviled by those on either end.
    Political affiliation is like gender these days, it is what you say it is and it can't be questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Political affiliation is like gender these days, it is what you say it is and it can't be questioned.
    Hmm. I'm not sure that's a solid analogy. In fact, I'd say in my experience, political affiliation (which, unquestionably -- and frequently -- is changeable) can be -- and frequently is -- questioned. What's often the case is Person A identifying as Ideology or Party Z and Person B implying (or outright accusing) Person A of lying about said ideology or party. It's further complicated by the fact that people can't even agree on the definition of most political labels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    well, dunno about you, but I never identified with any party. didn't see the need. that way I don't have to bow down (or grudgingly swallow) any party's platform. I'm a radical and always have been.
    Groucho said it best:

    I would never join a club that would have me as a member. (Paraphrased)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Fair question. On a cursory search, the earliest piece I found for her was 2014 and that was commentary on the movie "God's Not Dead," and didn't directly address her political party. It's possible she's never been one and is simply claiming that she was to bolster her credibility. It's also possible that she is speaking/writing sincerely as to her experience. I have no way to know absent additional information. As someone who was a Democrat until I was 36 but who no longer claims that label, I relate to stories such as Prabhu's. Of course, I don't fit neatly under the Republican label either (nor do I claim it.) I'm either a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative or a moderate and reviled by those on either end.
    Based on the materials I was able to find online, I'm assuming she's a liar. She repeatedly uses the same framing technique of claiming to be coming from the left, then parroting right-wing talking points exactly. If she had a media track record of having argued pro-Democrat and anti-Republican positions, then having changed (the way, say, David Brock once went the opposite direction), I could take it seriously as a change of heart, but instead I suspect it's just a cynical branding exercise.

    For my own part, I've never been registered with either party, but as time goes on and the Republicans go further and further off the deep end, my differences with the relatively sane Democrats seem increasingly trivia in context. As of 20 or 30 years ago, it was possible for a decent human being to feel more drawn to the Republicans than the Democrats, but that time has passed, first with the mean-spiritedness of Gingrich, then the stupidity of Dubya, and finally with Trump combining mean-spiritedness, stupidity, and mental illness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    I don't know how long she had been a dem in 2016.

    Her point is that the dem platform is pushing moderates and sane people out.
    Yet, there's not much support for that notion, is there? Sure, at one point the Dems were having trouble attracting people -- they lost every presidential election but one between 1968 and 1988. But they've now won six of the last seven, in terms of popular vote, and are much more popular in the states that are the sanest (if you measure sanity in terms of low rates of murder and suicide, and high productivity and education) and most moderate (in terms of alignment of public policy with advanced-nation norms). That said, it's true the GOP remains very popular with extremists and mentally defective people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Groucho said it best:

    I would never join a club that would have me as a member. (Paraphrased)
    well, all y'all are welcome to join my party - we don't ask for donations and there aren't any requirements to meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Based on the materials I was able to find online, I'm assuming she's a liar. She repeatedly uses the same framing technique of claiming to be coming from the left, then parroting right-wing talking points exactly. If she had a media track record of having argued pro-Democrat and anti-Republican positions, then having changed (the way, say, David Brock once went the opposite direction), I could take it seriously as a change of heart, but instead I suspect it's just a cynical branding exercise.
    Right - that's why I say it's fair. The internet and political blogging wasn't just invented a couple years ago. So unless she just recently took up writing, her claim raises legitimate questions. Although, it's possible that it was her political "awakening" which inspired her to write. Again, I'd have to know more about her to say with confidence.

    For my own part, I've never been registered with either party, but as time goes on and the Republicans go further and further off the deep end, my differences with the relatively sane Democrats seem increasingly trivia in context. As of 20 or 30 years ago, it was possible for a decent human being to feel more drawn to the Republicans than the Democrats, but that time has passed, first with the mean-spiritedness of Gingrich, then the stupidity of Dubya, and finally with Trump combining mean-spiritedness, stupidity, and mental illness.
    I find your posts highly intelligent and interesting to read. That said, they have the effect of recommitting me to my right-of-centerness. Some of that's pure stubbornness on my part, I must acknowledge. But the blithe broadbrushing of essentially half of the American populace as non-"decent human beings" is a real turn-off. It's okay - I know your goal isn't winning me or any of my right-leaning compadres over. But if it were, I'd say that's an unproductive approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Groucho said it best:

    I would never join a club that would have me as a member. (Paraphrased)
    The quote has been reported in many different forms, and no one seems to know which is the original, so you don't even need to say 'paraphrased'. I have heard it as: "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."

    In whatever form, it is one of my all-time favorite quotes, and Groucho Marx is one of my all-time favorite people. Another Groucho quote I am very fond of:

    Groucho Marx: "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others."

    I used to have a T-shirt that was a great conversation starter, especially for an economics teacher. It had the large caption, in red:

    All Hail Marx And Lennon!!


    And then it had, of course, photos of Groucho Marx and John Lennon, TWO of my all-time favorite people. It was taken from the cover of a Firesign Theater album, of course.....
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