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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Fair question. On a cursory search, the earliest piece I found for her was 2014 and that was commentary on the movie "God's Not Dead," and didn't directly address her political party. It's possible she's never been one and is simply claiming that she was to bolster her credibility. It's also possible that she is speaking/writing sincerely as to her experience. I have no way to know absent additional information. As someone who was a Democrat until I was 36 but who no longer claims that label, I relate to stories such as Prabhu's. Of course, I don't fit neatly under the Republican label either (nor do I claim it.) I'm either a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative or a moderate and reviled by those on either end.
    You're certainly NOT 'reviled' by anyone with a lick of common sense, Wonderer. As you can see, I describe myself as a 'radical centrist', so perhaps we are similar in some ways, or even in many ways, though I suspect you have a more theologically-based perspective than I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Yet, there's not much support for that notion, is there? Sure, at one point the Dems were having trouble attracting people -- they lost every presidential election but one between 1968 and 1988. But they've now won six of the last seven, in terms of popular vote, and are much more popular in the states that are the sanest (if you measure sanity in terms of low rates of murder and suicide, and high productivity and education) and most moderate (in terms of alignment of public policy with advanced-nation norms). That said, it's true the GOP remains very popular with extremists and mentally defective people.
    That popular vote factoid is a function blue states getting more extreme. Who cares if 3 million more fruits and nuts in California voted for Hillary over Trump?

    You comments and attitude toward blue collar America is exactly why dems have lost so many seats nationwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    I don't know how long she had been a dem in 2016.

    Her point is that the dem platform is pushing moderates and sane people out.
    Did you read Max Boot's column linked in post #7?!? He begs to differ with you....

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    Why aren't conservatives ridiculing the author of the OP article as a DINO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You're certainly NOT 'reviled' by anyone with a lick of common sense, Wonderer. As you can see, I describe myself as a 'radical centrist', so perhaps we are similar in some ways, or even in many ways, though I suspect you have a more theologically-based perspective than I do.
    Thank you, LeRoy. Feeling's mutual.

    No - I said "either end," rather than "either side" because I do recognize it's relative. The further out along the spectrum one tends to be, the less patience they seem to have for those in the middle. Our usefulness is outweighed by their (lack of) patience for us.

    I like the "radical centrist" concept. No question that we approach it from somewhat different angles but I do feel there's a fair amount of overlap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Right - that's why I say it's fair. The internet and political blogging wasn't just invented a couple years ago. So unless she just recently took up writing, her claim raises legitimate questions. Although, it's possible that it was her political "awakening" which inspired her to write.
    I know I'm being cynical, but I think it came down to how to land a column for a right-wing newspaper. Obviously, only the same old right-wing talking points were welcome there, but that would make her part of a crowded field unless she could put her own spin on it, by offering the same old right-wing talking points from an unusual perspective (female, racial minority, immigrant, supposed Democrat).

    I find your posts highly intelligent and interesting to read. That said, they have the effect of recommitting me to my right-of-centerness. Some of that's pure stubbornness on my part, I must acknowledge. But the blithe broadbrushing of essentially half of the American populace as non-"decent human beings" is a real turn-off.
    Well, I appreciate the compliment. If my goal were to lure people to the left, I'd certainly take a different tone. In fact, I once did. But I realized a while ago that anyone who has fallen to the right is not going to be won back, so that's a bit of a waste of effort. No combination of words from me will matter. Better just to say the things I believe to be true. Sure, it'll give some people on the right the excuse to blame their position on me, rather than themselves, but since they were going to be in the same position either way, that doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Why aren't conservatives ridiculing the author of the OP article as a DINO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Fair question. On a cursory search, the earliest piece I found for her was 2014 and that was commentary on the movie "God's Not Dead," and didn't directly address her political party. It's possible she's never been one and is simply claiming that she was to bolster her credibility. It's also possible that she is speaking/writing sincerely as to her experience. I have no way to know absent additional information. As someone who was a Democrat until I was 36 but who no longer claims that label, I relate to stories such as Prabhu's. Of course, I don't fit neatly under the Republican label either (nor do I claim it.) I'm either a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative or a moderate and reviled by those on either end.
    Reminds me of someone I know.
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    [QUOTE=Libertine;5973594]That popular vote factoid is a function blue states getting more extreme. Who cares if 3 million more fruits and nuts in California voted for Hillary over Trump?[/quotes]

    Patriots do, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    I know I'm being cynical, but I think it came down to how to land a column for a right-wing newspaper. Obviously, only the same old right-wing talking points were welcome there, but that would make her part of a crowded field unless she could put her own spin on it, by offering the same old right-wing talking points from an unusual perspective (female, racial minority, immigrant, supposed Democrat).
    Jury's still out for me on this one.


    Well, I appreciate the compliment. If my goal were to lure people to the left, I'd certainly take a different tone. In fact, I once did. But I realized a while ago that anyone who has fallen to the right is not going to be won back, so that's a bit of a waste of effort. No combination of words from me will matter. Better just to say the things I believe to be true. Sure, it'll give some people on the right the excuse to blame their position on me, rather than themselves, but since they were going to be in the same position either way, that doesn't matter.
    Don't sell yourself short, Arkady. You write well and persuasively. Further, though it may come as a surprise to you, there have been times here at PH when some of the more left-leaning posters have persuaded me to rethink my positions. I'm glad they didn't write me off.
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