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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Further, though it may come as a surprise to you, there have been times here at PH when some of the more left-leaning posters have persuaded me to rethink my positions. I'm glad they didn't write me off.
    I've changed my views, or at least gained sympathy and understanding for another's views, frequently here at PH from reading posts by different members of both the left and the right. Even those dastardly ne'er-do-wells in the middle can get to me now and then.

    That's pretty much the true value of PH and other places built for the exchange of ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    I've changed my views, or at least gained sympathy and understanding for another's views, frequently here at PH from reading posts by different members of both the left and the right. Even those dastardly ne'er-do-wells in the middle can get to me now and then.

    That's pretty much the true value of PH and other places built for the exchange of ideas.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    I've changed my views, or at least gained sympathy and understanding for another's views, frequently here at PH from reading posts by different members of both the left and the right. Even those dastardly ne'er-do-wells in the middle can get to me now and then.

    That's pretty much the true value of PH and other places built for the exchange of ideas.

    Agreed. I know I was further to the right on certain issues when I first jumped on board. I learned how important it is to listen to other people before my digging heels in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Agreed. I know I was further to the right on certain issues when I first jumped on board. I learned how important it is to listen to other people before my digging heels in.
    Ha! You edited before I could catch the "isn't"!
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    Agreed. I know I was further to the right on certain issues when I first jumped on board. I learned how important it is to listen to other people before my digging heels in.
    People are certainly quick to correct.

    It was discussions with a guy from the left that convinced me that the reported budget deficit number doesn't really mean much, it is the change in the national debt is what is really important.

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    What ever happened to a "balanced approach"......?? You know, things like "all things in moderation"?

    How about grabbing the best elements of humanity and any political parties and calling it INDEPENDENCE?

    Moderation is NOT to be confused with mediocrity........They are two separate things.

    I grew up in a Republican family, however we all voted candidate, not party, unless the only way we could vote (as is the case in many states and primary elections in particular) was to declare a specific party. We were and all still are fiscally conservative, but depending upon the era, would be considered conservative to RINO to flaming lefty liberal depending who one was talking to, where and their own party and ideologies.

    Right now, I am an Independent, but would say Democrats now follow what were considered moderate to straight Republican ideologies which by current republican standards are considered RINO. You can call me anything you like, but that is not going to phase me and stop me from turning away from people who lie, cheat and steal on a regular basis to get ahead, no matter what party. I also know some people would like to characterize some as lying, cheating and thieving and have been trying to do so for years, because those people are their political opposition, but across decades have found very little real evidence as compared to those they defend as "innocent" in spite of known evidence, some of it coming from the horse's mouth, daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    That popular vote factoid is a function blue states getting more extreme. Who cares if 3 million more fruits and nuts in California voted for Hillary over Trump?[/quotes]

    Patriots do, obviously.
    But is mostly the delusional.

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    My son was a died in the wool gay democrat. He has left the party but has no place to go. He wont go republican because they left their fiscal leanings. That used to be the only thing he liked about the republican party and now that is gone. The left has gone so far socialist that he won't go back there anytime soon. I don't understand why the never trumpers have not come back on board. They just cannot get over their hate for trump the person. I don't like him either, but I love the way the country is headed right now. I cannot imagine going back to the obama years of slow growth and massive regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    Is there any evidence that Saritha Prabhu ever was a Democrat? There's this whole cottage industry of crypto-Republican columnists, who claim to have been lefties, while parroting right-wing talking points exactly. That's a valuable media niche, to get heard above the noise of all the other right-wingers parroting the same talking points. Yet, when you look for earlier columns from such purported lefties, as evidence for the existence of a time before the "party left them," all you find is more instances of them attacking the party and mouthing standard-issue right-wing talking points.

    Left's Russia Gaslighting Scares This Democrat More Than Trump Does
    I'm A Liberal, And I Agree With Sean Hannity That U.S. Journalism Is Dead
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/o...ald-trump.html
    https://www.tennessean.com/story/opi...ion/656461002/
    I did a time search on her name with quotations and found this:

    “God Is Not Dead.” But Christians are “appalling.”
    By - on May 12, 2014
    Let’s see if we got this straight. A columnist for the Tennessean, Saritha Prabhu, who declares she is not a Christian and who appears to at least come from a Hindu upbringing, finds it necessary and useful to pass judgement on a pro-Christian movie declaring it appalling and narrow-minded. RTP is tired of the Tennessean’s ruse of using people from other cultures to pass judgment on the tenets of Western Civilization. Sort of like asking Tennessee fans to give an objective assessment of Rupp Arena as a place to play basketball (“Oh, we just love going there. The fans are so nice and accomodating. Not rude, arrogant or obnoxious at all. They are so-o-o appreciative when the Vols make a good shot!”). You ever hear someone say that? Yeah, neither have we.

    Ms. Prabhu says “I’m not a Christian, but that is not why I was appalled. I think thoughtful Christians would be troubled by this movie, too.” Okay Ms. Prabhu, none of us here at RTP are Hindu, so that clearly makes us qualified to tell you what “thoughtful Hindi” should think about the latest offering from Bollywood. Diversity cuts both ways, unless you work for the Tennessean.

    Prabhu makes a thinly veiled attempt to discredit the movie’s central premise that Christians are being singled out for ridicule and persecution on college campuses these days. Oh sure, she makes the obligatory “some of my best friends are Christians” references, but hiding behind the predictable liberal canards of “tolerance” and “understanding” Prabhu runs into so many trees that she misses the obvious forest.

    ????

    Sounds kind of liberal to me.

    Truth is, this woman writes extremely well, but mostly doesn't have a clue.

    "As someone who became a citizen in 2006"

    LOL, go ahead lady, tell us all about how to fix our problems. After all, you've lived in this country for a whole 12 years....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Jury's still out for me on this one.




    Don't sell yourself short, Arkady. You write well and persuasively. Further, though it may come as a surprise to you, there have been times here at PH when some of the more left-leaning posters have persuaded me to rethink my positions. I'm glad they didn't write me off.
    Well, you're truly one-in-a-hundred, then. In all my years of political posting online (since about 1998, with the first decade or so being with a "you catch more flies with honey" attitude), I can only think of one case where I convinced a conservative of ANYTHING (the inadvisability of immediately drilling ANWR). I've convinced all sorts of liberals of all sorts of things (I take moderate and conservative views on some topics, so I occasionally debate with liberals), so with liberals I still take the view that if I can just find the right evidence or the right way to phrase an argument, I can get traction. But with conservatives, it just doesn't seem worth it. The dumb ones are unreachable, and the smart ones just bend their intellects to the task of protecting themselves against the need to change their minds.

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