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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    He tends to give pardons to people who are popular with the right, not because they were railroaded or unfairly convicted but because he wants to score points with his base. I think it sends the wrong message.

    And in the case of the Hammonds, even I didn't like the way the sentence was retroactively increased, but this does nothing to rein in that kind of judicial overreach. In fact I'd say it encourages it because Trump is willing to excuse for certain people. As long as overly harsh laws don't apply to them, why not create more of them?
    I don't disagree. I was questioning the injection of race into the discussion. Agree with him or no, Trump has issued pardons to people of color as well as these dudes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    If they were black you know there would be no pardon.
    The pardons are certainly controversial.

    But your comment is pathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    I was SO trying to decipher that one. Thank you for clarifying!

    (had me stumped....)
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    I am not opposed to a pardon for this case, but there are better cases to pardon, LOADS of them. Lets start with some of the 'false accusation' cases and I would not be too mad at Trump if he pardoned someone for non-political reasons.

    Bringing race into this discussion is bad form.
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    the title of this thread reads like a "Duck Dynasty" spin off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    the title of this thread reads like a "Duck Dynasty" spin off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I think this is what bothers me about the pardon:



    Why is there no explanation about why the sentence was wrong besides "they're good people"? Nothing about changing the law to make it harder for judges to retroactively increase the sentence, nothing about the crime and whether it deserved the sentence it got, just a nod to these people are the good guys and they shouldn't be expected to suffer the same overreach by law enforcement that the rest of us do.

    That's bullshit. I'm sure if Trump wanted to roll back police state tactics, three strikes your out and mandatory minimums for everybody, he could get cooperation from Democrats, but he doesn't. He just wants HIS peeps to be exempted from this shit.

    Fuck that. There's plenty of people unfairly convicted and doing excessive sentences in the this country that are decent people and deserve justice but if they don't fly the right colors, they don't get a break.
    #SettingFiresWhileWhite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    We had one mare who would gingerly eat it like candy and never showed a symptom. That's when I took a flamer to the pastures to get rid of it, because I knew it was only a matter of time.

    Star thistle produces one of the best honeys which is probably a factor in it's invasiveness. Beekeepers love it.
    Interesting. This is why I hang around PH. I learn stuff here I would never learn anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Uh huh, fortunately for you antibiotics will usually cure that.

    Not anymore:

    http://healthline.com/health-news/co...-united-states

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Fucking pandering to fucking right-wing extremists.

    Fucking shitty behavior by a U.S. president.
    Perhaps Mr. Trump is 'testing the waters', to see what the reaction might be, to a potential pardon of Dylann Roof? I mean, the young man made ONE mistake! Don't people deserve a second chance in life? Hasn't that always been part of the American creed?




    Set sarcasm meter on HIGH.
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