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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Yep, if if you dont work while sick, you are weak.
    Or just plain "if you are sick, you are weak." Unless, of course, you're a zillionaire; for them, illness is a real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Trump is right about the NATO deadbeats

    He is. And the article from The Economist that I cited earlier acknowledges this:


    "Mr. Trump is right to complain about countries like Germany and Italy, which spent just 1.22% and 1.13% of GDP on defense in 2017. Indeed, he could go further. Too little of defense spending is useful--- over a third of Belgium's is eaten up by pensions. More should go on R&D and equipment."


    But the article goes on to explain just WHY the NATO alliance is still, nevertheless, useful, and why America should NOT abandon it:


    "Since the Soviet collapse, the sense of threat has receded and the barriers to working together have risen. Yet that does not make the transatlantic alliance 'obsolete', as Mr. Trump once claimed. America's alliances are an asset that are the envy of Russia and China. NATO is an inheritance that is all the more precious for being irreplaceable. The need for security remains. Russia is not the Soviet Union but, as a declining power, it feels threatened. It has modernized its forces and is prepared to deploy them. The need to anchor European democracy remains, too. As authoritarianism creeps up on Poland and Hungary, the EU and NATO can once again help limit its advance. And there is the extra benefit of how Europe helps America project power, by providing bases, troops and, usually, diplomatic support."


    "NATO is more fragile than Mr. Trump thinks. At its core is the pledge to treat an attack on one member in the North Atlantic region as an attack on them all. His vacillation and his hostility to Europe weaken that promise, if only because it reveals his scorn for the idea that small countries have the same rights as big ones. Asia is watching, as is Mr. Putin. The more Mr. Trump bullies his allies, the more the world will doubt America's security guarantees. Because great powers compete in a grey zone between peace and war, that risks miscalculation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Trump is right about the NATO deadbeats

    Slash the US military budget in half. There. Done. Problem solved.


    I’m sure if Adele looked at a graph of what she eats vs what other people eats she’d ALSO think everyone else needs to add 2,000 calories a day. Instead of the more rational reaction of “wow, I eat way too much”.

    Any two of Germany, UK and France spends significantly more on their military than Russia. Just any two of those. So they already outspend Russia AND they are in a mutual defence alliance with a dozen other nations they border, and The US and Ca.

    That’s really quite enough.

    If you’re spending double to tripple everyone else, the problem isnt everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Slash the US military budget in half. There. Done. Problem solved.


    I’m sure if Adele looked at a graph of what she eats vs what other people eats she’d ALSO think everyone else needs to add 2,000 calories a day. Instead of the more rational reaction of “wow, I eat way too much”.

    Any two of Germany, UK and France spends significantly more on their military than Russia. Just any two of those. So they already outspend Russia AND they are in a mutual defence alliance with a dozen other nations they border, and The US and Ca.

    That’s really quite enough.

    If you’re spending double to tripple everyone else, the problem isnt everyone else.
    The UK and US should pull out of NATO and spend the money on their own defences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    The UK and US should pull out of NATO and spend the money on their own defences.
    Why?

    So they can spend more? That’s really the goal? To spend as much money as possible?

    The more the EU integrates the lower those GDP % spent on military will go down. As they cost share and supply each other with resources they’ll spend less and less of their GDP on a functional military.

    The only person in the world who thinks spending more money for no reason is better is Trump. Who is mad that allies are making better decisions. Screaming at them to spend more instead of him spending less.

    What he’s suggesting is that the whole free world follow the Soviet Unions example of trying to match the US in psychotic military spending. Stop looking after citizens and start mass producing so many tanks you have nowhere to put them. That’s a fools game.

    I dont know if NATOs lack of reaction makes him angrier, or if he thinks that means he won something? I’ve no idea.
    Last edited by Dr.Knuckles; 11th July 2018 at 02:19 PM.

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    The US is not only the biggest military spender, it spends more than the next ten countries (not all of whom might be counted as hostile up till now) including Russia and China. That skews any calculations right off the bat. Your "share" is always going to seem much bigger because you choose to spend much much more. An order of magnitude more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    TDS on display.
    The only TDS I see is from his adoring fans. Trump Devotion Syndrome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    The only TDS I see is from his adoring fans. Trump Devotion Syndrome.
    Many times those with a terminal illness don't realize it. And your TDS is in stage 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    The US is not only the biggest military spender, it spends more than the next ten countries (not all of whom might be counted as hostile up till now) including Russia and China. That skews any calculations right off the bat. Your "share" is always going to seem much bigger because you choose to spend much much more. An order of magnitude more.
    See, you just don't understand! America spends so much on defense and our military, not so much because of Russia and China and North Korea and Iran, but in case the Martians decide to invade. Or some other hostile space aliens. The rest of the world should be grateful that America is watching out and keeping the Earth safe, just in case there ARE any hostile aliens out there. Because what if there are?!? Then we'll be ready! We won't be caught with our pants down! That happened, you know, in that first Independence Day movie! We just weren't ready for them! And they ALMOST got us! You wouldn't want that to happen, would you? Well, then, you ought to be GLAD that America is spending so much on defense and our military and all of our hyper-advanced weapons systems and so forth! Our new Space Force is going to have cool new phasers, just like they had on Star Trek! You should be THANKING US, you ingrates!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Many times those with a terminal illness don't realize it. And your TDS is in stage 4.
    Thanks, Goofball. I'll go to the doctor and get that checked.

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