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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    But you have not seen the reality of the anger of workers who lost their jobs,watching factories close,going to Mexico,China or Canada!

    I have watched that anger grow as millions lost good paying jobs,worried abou the future of their families.

    Good things have come from exports. I realize that. I also understand the anger of the worker.

    It is easy to sit back and look at the big picture. I understand that. Angry, underemployed people do not want to hear what you,or I are saying!

    They think Trump will fix things. Until we understand that anger,we are not going to win. The propaganda machine feeds off fear.
    I just spoke last week to a bunch of loggers that live near my brothers house. They are all out of work and still blame free trade for it all. They hate Trump but many held their noses and voted for him, others didnt bother to vote. One said "democrats are busy out marching against ICE, they dont care about us." They think they are going too far left. Trump tells them what they want to hear. Even though he hasnt done anything yet, he at least talks about issues they want to hear about. They dont want to hear about abolishing ICE. Its a losing issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Sounds like we are on the same page for all intended purposes.

    Experts are agreeing with me as I post. The change is long over due. What a Shame That Donald Trump has brought it forth.

    I am glad someone understands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I just spoke last week to a bunch of loggers that live near my brothers house. They are all out of work and still blame free trade for it all. They hate Trump but many held their noses and voted for him, others didnt bother to vote. One said "democrats are busy out marching against ICE, they dont care about us." They think they are going too far left. Trump tells them what they want to hear. Even though he hasnt done anything yet, he at least talks about issues they want to hear about. They dont want to hear about abolishing ICE. Its a losing issue.
    Much of my points! The Democratic Party has become a Special Interest victim mentality. They have to stop that!

    Equality is here, now it is time to deal with the reality.

    Anyone find that clip yet of Trump and the Russian? The MEDIA is just attacking Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    The fact still remains that middle of America and unions dont view NAFTA as favorable. They saw plants close and move to Mexico. Its all about the optics and while NAFTA may be a great idea, it needs to be reformed. Even many middle American democrats like Sherrod Brown, Amy Klobuchar and Tammy Baldwin are on board with tariffs and reformed our trade agreements. Their constituents in the rust belt want it.
    I understand. But Sherrod Brown is a Richard Gephardt Democrat to me, and I do not share his views, and think he is a very nave man. NAFTA was ratified in 1994, and the FACT is that the unemployment rate in America FELL, and FELL, and FELL, and FELL, and FELL, and FELL, for six straight years, after that. I continue to be SHOCKED by anyone who attempts to deny that easily verifiable FACT. The very serious mistake the Rust Belt states made was that they were not investing enough in education. Surely you KNOW this, at least in your heart. And of course, the national government should have done more to help those factory workers adjust to the new economic realities. Economies CHANGE. If people want some kind of hermetically-sealed economy where there is never any change, they want something that never was and never will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I just spoke last week to a bunch of loggers that live near my brothers house. They are all out of work and still blame free trade for it all. They hate Trump but many held their noses and voted for him, others didnt bother to vote. One said "democrats are busy out marching against ICE, they dont care about us." They think they are going too far left. Trump tells them what they want to hear. Even though he hasnt done anything yet, he at least talks about issues they want to hear about. They dont want to hear about abolishing ICE. Its a losing issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Yeah, and it was also 'not our problem' when the Germans invaded Poland in 1939.....
    Come on,LeRoy! 1939 has nothing to do with what is happening now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    We have already reached that point. The ever benevolent UNCLE SAM is gone. We are in a massive debt crisis.
    Very shortly now, the Republicans will be telling us that we can no longer 'afford' Social Security and Medicare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I understand. But Sherrod Brown is a Richard Gephardt Democrat to me, and I do not share his views, and think he is a very nave man. NAFTA was ratified in 1994, and the FACT is that the unemployment rate in America FELL, and FELL, and FELL, and FELL, and FELL, and FELL, for six straight years, after that. I continue to be SHOCKED by anyone who attempts to deny that easily verifiable FACT. The very serious mistake the Rust Belt states made was that they were not investing enough in education. Surely you KNOW this, at least in your heart. And of course, the national government should have done more to help those factory workers adjust to the new economic realities. Economies CHANGE. If people want some kind of hermetically-sealed economy where there is never any change, they want something that never was and never will be.
    That is the problem here,LeRoy! What you may think,or what I think means nothing to these angry voters. They are the ones who lost jobs after NAFTA! It was a very bad deal to those workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Come on,LeRoy! 1939 has nothing to do with what is happening now.
    Russia's military annexation of Crimea is the same sort of imperialism that we saw from Germany in the 1930's, if not at the same scale yet. Indeed, that annexation is what led Hillary Clinton to start comparing Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler----which was probably an overstretched and unwise analogy on her part----and what led Putin to decide to interfere in our election on such a massive scale in 2016. You know, most people don't like being compared to Adolf Hitler, and that is doubly true when you are the leader of Russia, a nation that was very nearly annihilated by that same Adolf Hitler.

    This annexation of Crimea has been the ONLY forcible change of borders in Europe since the end of World War II, MaryAnne. It is far more significant than most people understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Very shortly now, the Republicans will be telling us that we can no longer 'afford' Social Security and Medicare.
    They are already doing just that! We are not dealing with problems that are long festering in the Manufacturing Community.

    Ron Insana, a man I trust is on,explaining why many of these long time deals need to be updated.

    This guy agrees with what I have been posting.

    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2017/12/0...on-insana.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Russia's military annexation of Crimea is the same sort of imperialism that we saw from Germany in the 1930's, if not at the same scale yet. Indeed, that annexation is what led Hillary Clinton to start comparing Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler----which was probably an overstretched and unwise analogy on her part----and what led Putin to decide to interfere in our election on such a massive scale in 2016. You know, most people don't like being compared to Adolf Hitler, and that is doubly true when you are the leader of Russia, a nation that was very nearly annihilated by that same Adolf Hitler.

    This annexation of Crimea has been the ONLY forcible change of borders in Europe since the end of World War II, MaryAnne. It is far more significant than most people understand.
    Do you think these angry people are concerned about Crimea? Most do not have any idea where it is!

    These people want action in their own lives.

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