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    Senate overwhelmingly passes resolution supporting NATO...as Trump attacks continue

    About time they did something right.

    Senate overwhelmingly passes resolution supporting NATO...as Trump attacks continue
    Lawmakers on Tuesday overwhelmingly voted in favor of a resolution supporting NATO, as President Trump continues to criticize members.

    The measure expresses the Senate's support for the body and calls on negotiators to reaffirm the U.S. commitment to NATO.

    The 97-2 vote in the Senate comes as Trump heads to Brussels for the NATO summit. He will also travel to the UK and meet one-on-one with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Helsinki during his trip.


    GOP Sens. Rand Paul and Mike Lee voted against the measure, according to Defense News.

    Democratic Sen. Jack Reed (R.I.) proposed the measure, calling the U.S. support for NATO "ironclad."

    Trump has long been critical of NATO members for failing to meet their defense spending commitments, and has ramped up the criticism in the days ahead of the summit.
    The president suggested in a tweet on his way to Brussels that other NATO members should reimburse the U.S. for what he has called the nation's "unfair" contributions to the alliance.

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    From your link: GOP Sens. Rand Paul and Mike Lee voted against the measure, according to Defense News.

    I hereby declare Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee to be jerks. They must not think America needs any allies.
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    P.S. Senator John McCain certainly WOULD have voted for the resolution, if he had been able to be present. I'm sure everyone knows this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    P.S. Senator John McCain certainly WOULD have voted for the resolution, if he had been able to be present. I'm sure everyone knows this.
    John McCain is an American patriot and hero. Those guys aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister B View Post
    John McCain is an American patriot and hero. Those guys aren't.
    ^^^^ This SHOULD go without saying. And yet, in the era of Trump, it needs to be said. Sad. ^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    ^^^^ This SHOULD go without saying. And yet, in the era of Trump, it needs to be said. Sad. ^^^^
    I'm not a big fan of McCain, but I do believe that he is basically a good man who tries to do the best, as he sees it, for our country.

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    People like John McCain, the 'neocons', will have America fighting wars forever. The neo is kind of funny there because there is nothing new about it really. They really should be called paleoconservatives because they just can't seem to get it through their heads that its not 1945, the Russians retreated and Europe is capable of defending itself. NATO accordingly retains usefulness, generally, but the US presence in NATO is simply unnecessary. NATO is obsolete -- for the US -- #outofnato

    The excess burden placed on the American people to sustain its hegenonic power comes at a great cost placing American companies at a relative disadvantage but for which America would be materially wealthier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    I'm not a big fan of McCain, but I do believe that he is basically a good man who tries to do the best, as he sees it, for our country.
    Good people have bad ideas. People like John McCain are stuck in yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    I'm not a big fan of McCain, but I do believe that he is basically a good man who tries to do the best, as he sees it, for our country.
    He is certainly much more of a military hawk than I am. In post #7, publius3 calls him a 'paleoconservative' and I think that is a very accurate description. I think America is suffering from a bad case of imperial overstretch. McCain would disagree with that. And yet I certainly think that NATO is still necessary. Russia has retreated, publius3 also says. Well, the Soviet Empire obviously collapsed, but Vladimir Putin is on record as saying that was the "biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century", and there is NO reason to doubt that he believes exactly that. Russia today is a revanchist power. The lashing out of a dying empire is an exceptionally dangerous thing, and especially under a hyper-aggressive leader such as Putin. He wants very much to resurrect if not the Soviet Empire, at least the old Czarist Empire. Putin has recently achieved one of the most cherished strategic objectives of Czarist Russia, of obtaining a permanent base in the Mediterranean, with his new Syrian client state, and Trump is helping him with that. Some will object that Syria is not a 'new' client state of Russia, but Syria is now more firmly in the grip of Russia than ever before. Assad owes his entire existence, his very life, to Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Good people have bad ideas. People like John McCain are stuck in yesterday.
    I disagree, he's a republican who actually had the stones to stand up to the likes of Pat Robertson, etc. He even took up for Obama when he was running, calling Obama an upstanding American and distancing himself from disparaging comments directed at him from his own supporters.

    Very un-Trump like.

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