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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    You didn’t serve... another alignment with Trump !

    Now, may this be as it is, what you say about other ways to prank people... does not even remotely compare to the then applying and now sitting president dissing real war heroes, make pretend fund raisers for veterans, without intending to actually give the raised money to those veterans, until called out publicly on his shady behavior.... etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.

    Your one sided outrage is - yet again - we’ll noted. And because of the bias, meaningless.
    Amen!

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    Stolen valor? No.

    A prank? Yes.

    A woman who can laugh at getting duped? No.

    People need to lighten up? Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Not a concept, a crime.
    Your response is no answer. No change there then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    This has to be one of the most egregious cases of stolen valor ever. This fuckwit pretended to be a disabled American Vet in order to dupeSarah Palin.

    Her response was spot on.

    https://people.com/politics/sarah-pa...ho-is-america/
    That’s not what stolen valor means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    Good question. I could see how it might. Would need to take a close look at the statute and how it defines the terms.

    There's also the broader (non-legal) definition of the term which would almost certainly apply here.
    This definitely wasn’t a crime. It was free speech. It also definitely wasn’t stolen valor in the non-legal sense — he was playing a character. If this was stolen valor then every non-veteran actor who ever played a vet would be guilty of it. This is a hilarious stretch even by the increasingly silly standards of right wingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Most Americans hold military service in high regard, especially combat vets. We have three national holidays honoring veterans.
    Stolen Valor a reference to a book by the same name which documented cases of men who lied about serving in Vietnam. It takes two forms: men who never served in the military claiming they did or men who did serve but dishonestly exaggerate their service. We don't like people lying to claim the respect due to the troops for the physical and emotional sacrifices they made.
    Three seems excessive. We have one. Armistice day. 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month there's a minute's silence. Why the other two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Dakota Meyer is a Medal of Honor recipient.

    Delete your account.
    While I am sure that you know this, obviously there are some here that can't see past partisanship to realize that the Medal of Honor isn't given out like business cards. It isn't something that you can ask to receive. I understand that some who have never served and detest the Palins with a passion will try anything to belittle them. This is the wrong path. Dakota Meyer is a true US hero. This was recognized, even by President Barack H Obama when he presented him, the first living Marine in 38 years to receive the Medal of Honor.

    Here's what Sergeant Dakota Meyer's citation says,

    Citation: Corporal Meyer maintained security at a patrol rally point while other members of his team moved on foot with two platoons of Afghan National Army and Border Police into the village of Ganjgal for a pre-dawn meeting with village elders. Moving into the village, the patrol was ambushed by more than 50 enemy fighters firing rocket propelled grenades, mortars, and machine guns from houses and fortified positions on the slopes above. Hearing over the radio that four U.S. team members were cut off, Corporal Meyer seized the initiative. With a fellow Marine driving, Corporal Meyer took the exposed gunner's position in a gun-truck as they drove down the steeply terraced terrain in a daring attempt to disrupt the enemy attack and locate the trapped U.S. team. Disregarding intense enemy fire now concentrated on their lone vehicle, Corporal Meyer killed a number of enemy fighters with the mounted machine guns and his rifle, some at near point blank range, as he and his driver made three solo trips into the ambush area. During the first two trips, he and his driver evacuated two dozen Afghan soldiers, many of whom were wounded. When one machine gun became inoperable, he directed a return to the rally point to switch to another gun-truck for a third trip into the ambush area where his accurate fire directly supported the remaining U.S. personnel and Afghan soldiers fighting their way out of the ambush. Despite a shrapnel wound to his arm, Corporal Meyer made two more trips into the ambush area in a third gun-truck accompanied by four other Afghan vehicles to recover more wounded Afghan soldiers and search for the missing U.S. team members. Still under heavy enemy fire, he dismounted the vehicle on the fifth trip and moved on foot to locate and recover the bodies of his team members. Corporal Meyer's daring initiative and bold fighting spirit throughout the 6-hour battle significantly disrupted the enemy's attack and inspired the members of the combined force to fight on. His unwavering courage and steadfast devotion to his U.S. and Afghan comrades in the face of almost certain death reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Three seems excessive. We have one. Armistice day. 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month there's a minute's silence. Why the other two?
    Actually, the United States has only 10 National Holidays.

    New Year's Day
    Martin Luther King, Jr. Day
    George Washington’s Birthday (President's Day)
    Memorial Day
    Independence Day
    Labor Day
    Columbus Day
    Veterans Day
    Thanksgiving Day
    Christmas Day

    Memorial Day and Veterans Day are seen as a day to honor the military but that isn't correct. Memorial Day is where we remember all of those that made the ultimate sacrifice, giving their lives for the country. Veterans Day is when we honor everyone who has served or is serving.

    Some states have state holidays but the above list are the only federal holidays. An example of this is Rhode Island celebrates Victory Day on the 2nd Monday in August.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    This definitely wasn’t a crime. It was free speech. It also definitely wasn’t stolen valor in the non-legal sense — he was playing a character. If this was stolen valor then every non-veteran actor who ever played a vet would be guilty of it. This is a hilarious stretch even by the increasingly silly standards of right wingers.
    It may well not be a crime - as I noted above, I’d want to look at the statutory language and know more details about what Cohen said and how he “disguised “ himself before contending it was.

    As for the acting scenario, I considered that analogy. Here’s the distinction: an actor playing such a role in a movie or play or tv show isn’t doing so to an unknowing audience. He/she may be quite convincing in the role but the audience is aware they’re viewing a dramatization. There’s no attempt to deceive as there was here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Actually, the United States has only 10 National Holidays.

    New Year's Day
    Martin Luther King, Jr. Day
    George Washington’s Birthday (President's Day)
    Memorial Day
    Independence Day
    Labor Day
    Columbus Day
    Veterans Day
    Thanksgiving Day
    Christmas Day

    Memorial Day and Veterans Day are seen as a day to honor the military but that isn't correct. Memorial Day is where we remember all of those that made the ultimate sacrifice, giving their lives for the country. Veterans Day is when we honor everyone who has served or is serving.

    Some states have state holidays but the above list are the only federal holidays. An example of this is Rhode Island celebrates Victory Day on the 2nd Monday in August.
    I prefer Armistice Day. It’s better to celebrate a day when millions of people stopped killing each other, rather than celebrating one particular profession, the way Veteran’s Day does. The change was unfortunate.
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