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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    For years, the US has been suffering with a crisis of falling levels of immigration. This endangers America's cultural identity as a nation of immigrants -- already we've fallen nearly eight percentage points behind Canada, in terms of the share of our population made up by immigrants, and we also trail Germany, Austria, Ireland, New Zealand, Australia, and several other top nations. Switzerland, for example, has about twice as many immigrants as we do, in proportion to total population. This is setting us up for a major crisis when it comes to entitlement spending. Like all wealthy nations, we have experienced a serious reduction in fertility rates, which puts us in a position where our dependency ratio will be in terrible shape in the coming generation, as Baby Boomers move into retirement and there are not enough working-age residents to support them. With immigrants being disproportionately young, an influx of new residents can balance the demographic equation, but not at the anemic rates of immigration we've had in recent years.

    The good news is that, as serious as this crisis is, it's a crisis of our own making, which can easily be remedied. Step one is simply to take a page from Reagan's playbook and grant undocumented residents legal status, to entice them to stay long term and integrate them more fully with our economy. Then step two is to make it easier for them to sponsor family members to come here in larger numbers, through chain migration. This will have the advantage of preserving intact family units, minimizing the social disruption that comes from having immigrants who aren't well supported, socially, by extended families and communities. It will also have the advantage of disproportionately attracting immigrants from the bottom of the economic ladder, where they will be less likely to displace US workers (instead, largely displacing automation as well as doing work like housekeeping and landscaping that would otherwise often be unpaid or not be done at all). These lower-end workers, in addition to remedying our serious demographic imbalance, will also provide upward pressure on the economic escalator -- slotting in below current workers, allowing more current workers to grow into management roles and higher-skill positions.

    Addressing our crisis of low immigration will also help to bring crime rates down, since immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than US natives. It will also help to remedy localized labor shortages, since immigrants are less tied to existing US communities, which means they are more likely to flow to areas of unmet demand, rather than sitting in whatever place they were born and demanding government intervention in the economy to make work for them (the way, say, coal workers do). More immigration would mean more labor that's driven by actual demand, rather than by cultural nostalgia and partisan politics.
    My first thought in reading an OP as insane as this, is that maybe it's just another Democrat move to boost immigration, with the idea that the immigrants grateful to them, will then be VOTES for them. This has been going on ever since the infamous Clinton "Citizenship USA" push to get a million illegal aliens certified as citizens, in time for the 2016 election. Clinton didn't seem to get it that illegals vote in large numbers whether citizen or not.

    In any case, whatever is at work here, I'll just say that I disagree with just about everything stated in the OP. NO, less immigration is NOT a crisis or a problem. Less immigrants does NOT endanger America's cultural identity. Actually, it HELPS our cultural identity, since immigrants bring foreign languages and different culture, which causes cultural erosion of OUR CULTURE, as nations are groupings of people with a distinctive language and culture.

    Also, absurd in the OP is the idea that it's good to bring in immigrants "from the bottom of the economic ladder", as if we didn't have any Americans here in that category. Sure, nothing like having a few million more ditch-diggers and trash-pickers to enhance your country, right ?
    What immigrants we should be calling for would be on a MERIT basis, as President Trump has correctly suggested. These could be those from the TOP of the economic ladder, bringing large amounts of capital to open businesses and create jobs (for AMERICANS). Other immigrants who would be desirable would be those bringing valuable skills (ex. great violinist, scientists, engineers, etc)

    This OP is so deliriously dopey, I can't even bring myself to address it any further. I'll let my list of the HARMS of Immigration carry that out.

    Harms of Immigration

    1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

    2. Wage reduction.

    3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

    4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($138 Billion/year).

    5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

    6. Increased crime.

    7. Increased traffic congestion.

    8. Increased pollution.

    9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

    10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

    11. Overcrowding in government offices.

    12. Overcrowding in schools.

    13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

    14. Cultural erosion.

    15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

    16. Introduction of foreign diseases

    17. Influx of terrorists.

    18. Litter

    19. Forest fires
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post

    Harms of Immigration

    1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

    2. Wage reduction.

    3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

    4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($138 Billion/year).

    5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

    6. Increased crime.

    7. Increased traffic congestion.

    8. Increased pollution.

    9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

    10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

    11. Overcrowding in government offices.

    12. Overcrowding in schools.

    13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

    14. Cultural erosion.

    15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

    16. Introduction of foreign diseases

    17. Influx of terrorists.

    18. Litter

    19. Forest fires
    Now I can say with total confidence...you pulled this list out of your ass.

    What a convoluted list of ridiculousness. Not provable by any credible source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Now I can say with total confidence...you pulled this list out of your ass.

    What a convoluted list of ridiculousness. Not provable by any credible source.
    Ah yes. The ultimate leftist weapon. "Prove" > followed by a requirement to present a source link (always to a liberal university, think tank, or media) But just common sense and common knowledge wouldn't be accepted, as these would actually tell the TRUTH.

    Oh, so you want to play the proof game with me ? Well, I could do 2 things. Present a proof link like Pew Research Center for the $138 Billion/year the US has been robbed off by immigrants in remittances

    OR...........

    I could challenge your whole liberal methodology of "proof", and say I DON'T HAVE TO" provide YOUR DEFINITION of proof, but rather just stick with what's well known, and obvious, and self-explanatory. Do you always need to go running to someone else and get THEIR words to make yours be credible. Can your words not stand in their own 2 feet ?

    So now, would you please show "provable by any credible source" that fish can swim ?

    While we're at it, are you saying that the addition of millions of people into a country, this is not going to increase (some number) the number of crimes, not going to (some number) increase pollution, not going to (some number) increase traffic, not going to increase consumption of fresh water et al resources, not going to increase demand on classroom seats in schools, etc etc And of course with 8 million jobs held by immigrants, this doesn't reduce the number of jobs available for Americans ?

    Because if you're saying all that, then............Is there a doctor in the house ? I mean really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Now I can say with total confidence...you pulled this list out of your ass.

    What a convoluted list of ridiculousness. Not provable by any credible source.
    I noticed this part right away:

    (especially Whites due to affirmative action)

    Poor white-nationalist is worried that diversity kills white people when in reality the white-nationalists do.

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    Harms of Immigration

    1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

    2. Wage reduction.

    3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

    4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($138 Billion/year).

    5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

    6. Increased crime.

    7. Increased traffic congestion.

    8. Increased pollution.

    9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

    10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

    11. Overcrowding in government offices.

    12. Overcrowding in schools.

    13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

    14. Cultural erosion.

    15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

    16. Introduction of foreign diseases

    17. Influx of terrorists.

    18. Litter

    19. Forest fires

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I noticed this part right away:

    (especially Whites due to affirmative action)

    Poor white-nationalist is worried that diversity kills white people when in reality the white-nationalists do.
    Something wrong with nationalism ? Something wrong with "white" ? biggrin.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Something wrong with nationalism ? Something wrong with "white" ? biggrin.gif
    Something wrong with racist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I noticed this part right away:

    (especially Whites due to affirmative action)

    Poor white-nationalist is worried that diversity kills white people when in reality the white-nationalists do.
    Yeah, so not only do the immigrants swipe jobs (8 million) away from Americans, but with the still present Affirmative Action (still legal in 42 states), most Americans (ei. whites) can't even fairly compete for those jobs, due to being discriminated against based on skin color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Something wrong with racist?
    Yeah there is. Which is why you shouldn't support Affirmative Action. Which you do, right ?

    And also how you slur whites with the phrase "white-nationalist", right ? Right BP ? Right ? Right ? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    Yeah there is. Which is why you shouldn't support Affirmative Action. Which you do, right ?
    I prefer a system based purely on economic factors, but you don't.

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