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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    . The Constitution itself expressly says non-enumerated rights are protected. .
    Where? Quote that particular part of the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    These "rights" were never intended by the Framers to construe abortion, which was until the awful 'Roe' decision, for the states to decide. They would be shocked to see abortion called a 'fundamental right'.
    They'd be shocked to head down an interstate at 60mph too. They'd be shocked to discover that leeches have limited utility in medicine or that you really do need to wash your hands before surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Where? Quote that particular part of the Constitution.
    I already gave you a citation and a link, but can do so again if that is what it takes.

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." U.S. Const. amend. IX.

    Now quit trolling.
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    Before R v W: abortion was not illegal in the US until the late 19th century. I was made illegal to enforce male dominance over women.

    HISTORY OF ABORTION
    Over several centuries and in different cultures, there is a rich history of women helping each other to abort. Until the late 1800s, women healers in Western Europe and the U.S. provided abortions and trained other women to do so, without legal prohibitions.

    The State didn't prohibit abortion until the 19th century, nor did the Church lead in this new repression. In 1803, Britain first passed antiabortion laws, which then became stricter throughout the century. The U.S. followed as individual states began to outlaw abortion. By 1880, most abortions were illegal in the U.S., except those ``necessary to save the life of the woman.'' But the tradition of women's right to early abortion was rooted in U.S. society by then; abortionists continued to practice openly with public support, and juries refused to convict them.

    Abortion became a crime and a sin for several reasons...

    ...THE REASONS...
    History of Abortion in the U.S.
    Women around the world have used abortion to control their reproduction at every point in history, and in every known society — regardless of its legality.
    In the United States, abortion was widely practiced before about 1880, by which time most states had banned it except to save the life of the woman. Anti-abortion legislation was part of a backlash against the growing movements for suffrage and birth control — an effort to control women and confine them to a traditional childbearing role.

    This legislation was also a way for the medical profession to tighten its control over women’s health care, as midwives who performed abortions were a threat to the male medical establishment. Finally, with the declining birthrate among women from Northern European backgrounds in the late 1800s, the U.S. government and the eugenics movement were concerned about “race suicide” and wanted white U.S.-born women to reproduce.


    Laws prohibiting abortion subjected women to desperation, fear, and shame, and took a heavy toll on women’s lives and health.] Poor women and women of color suffered disproportionately, as the ability of a woman to obtain an abortion, let alone one that was safe, often depended upon her economic situation, her race, and where she lived. Women with money could sometimes leave the country or find a physician who would perform the procedure for a high fee. Poor women, for the most part, were either at the mercy of incompetent practitioners with questionable motives or unable to find anyone who would perform the procedure. Many attempted dangerous self-abortions, such as inserting knitting needles or coat hangers into the vagina and uterus, douching with solutions such as lye, or swallowing strong drugs or chemicals.

    ...MORE...
    The racist origins of 'pro-life' abortion movement they never talk about
    Reversing Roe v. Wade goes against the will of the people. A recent Quinnipiac poll shows that a clear majority support the Supreme Court ruling ensuring a patient’s access to abortion care. That, of course, won’t stop opponents to the measure from ruling by minority; it’s exactly what the so-called “pro-lifers” want.

    Rule by minority has increasingly become the Republican’s modus operandi; gerrymandering, voter suppression, and congressional loopholes show they are not shy about staying in power by any means necessary. Now we’re seeing what’s possible when a man like Donald Trump embraces it as the leader of the power. Trump has not hesitated to embrace white nationalists and give racists power—just look at Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and Jeff Sessions—which is exactly why it’s prime time for Roe v. Wade to come up on the chopping block.


    It’s no coincidence that the biggest national threat to abortion rights since Roe is happening under such a racist government. Have you ever wondered why the “pro-life” movement is so … white? Or perhaps you’ve noticed that they seem incapable of not being racist whenever they pretend to care about Black people to further their extreme agenda.

    You’re not alone. It turns out that the pro-life movement has been very good about hiding its racist origins. That’s not just because white people tend to be uncomfortable and avoidant when talking about race. It’s because it also exposes the true goal of the movement, which makes their initially confusing hypocrisy incredibly clear.

    […]

    Abortion restrictions have always been political—and about race

    During much of the 19th century, abortion was unregulated and business was booming. The industry was doing so well that one famous provider, Madame Restell, invested in one of New York City’s first luxury apartment buildings with her husband. The white, middle-class women who could afford abortions were having more control of their bodies and thus having fewer children. This was all happening while the United States was also getting more Catholic and Jewish immigrants.

    The fears of white women increasingly turning away from doing their “duty” to bear children coupled with xenophobia compelled powerful white men to spring into action. Under the guise of wanting to require a medical license to perform abortions, the American Medical Association (AMA) ran a successful campaign to ban abortion care and put the decision to make exceptions completely in their hands. How did they succeed? They appealed to the racist little hearts of Anglo-Saxon politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I already gave you a citation and a link, but can do so again if that is what it takes.

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." U.S. Const. amend. IX.

    Now quit trolling.
    Still not seeing where your cite says anything about anyone having a right to hire someone to scramble the brains if their kid.

    Get back to me when you find that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball View Post
    Still not seeing where your cite says anything about anyone having a right to hire someone to scramble the brains if their kid.
    It's not a kid, but a fetus. And I just showed you the part where you cannot say a right does not exist just because it is not in the Constitution. Quit trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It's not a kid, but a fetus. And I just showed you the part where you cannot say a right does not exist just because it is not in the Constitution. Quit trolling.
    He have failed to show it is a right to be able to scramble your child's brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DemoWhip View Post
    America under Brett Kavanaugh
    How Trump’s nominee will affect abortion, prisons, affirmative action, and gay rights.
    By Dylan Matthews










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    That is a very well-written article and report. Well worth reading for some great background information and how Kavanaugh can affect the SCOTUS balance.
    It's all just speculation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roberthughey View Post
    It's all just speculation!
    It's all right on the spot!

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    Mr. Drone,

    So are you saying that liberal paranoia will spike?

    Interesting.
    Is it even possible for a spike to have a spike on top of it? lol

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