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    I suspect that it's a military influence crossing over into civilian police work. That would be okay, if the civilians in the US actually were law enforcements' enemies.
    You are very likely correct. The military is supposed to fight the enemies of the state, the police serve and protect the people. However, when military personnel switch gears to become police - a very common occurrence - they continue to think in terms of fighting enemies rather than serving or protecting, and those same people transfer that mindset to others. Thus they get contextually confused ... instead of dealing with the people they are supposed to serve and protect, they are on the lookout for enemies to fight. It seems like a way of taking what would otherwise be a mild form of PTSD and, instead of treating it like an illness, making it into a law enforcement ideology.

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    She stole food. He should have taken her to Burger King, but I guess that only happens when a white kid shoots black people in a church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    I think it is more the KIND of people we are recruiting to be on our police forces, than it is the kind of training we are giving to them. I am pretty confident that we are NOT training them to go around tasing 11-year-old girls for stealing Skittles.
    No I agree but we arent training them what to do instead. They automatically reach for a gun or tazer. When I was a kid, and you stole or committed a minor crime, the cop would give you a stern lecture and take you home to your parents where you would indeed be sorry. Not once did the try to beat us up, or harm us in any way. They never once felt "threatened." We were kids. I dont know what the deal is today, but modern police, often seem to feel everyone is the enemy and they need to be prepared. I think a lot of it has to do with many being veterans where they are indeed trained to think everyone is the enemy, but they cant all be that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I suspect that it's a military influence crossing over into civilian police work. That would be okay, if the civilians in the US actually were law enforcements' enemies.

    We're not supposed to be.
    I know we just had a police shooting here not too long ago and the officer was acquitted because he suffered from PTSD. Many of our local officers are former military and they do come in with a different mindset. But they cant all be ex military. Dont they have police academies anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You are very likely correct. The military is supposed to fight the enemies of the state, the police serve and protect the people. However, when military personnel switch gears to become police - a very common occurrence - they continue to think in terms of fighting enemies rather than serving or protecting, and those same people transfer that mindset to others. Thus they get contextually confused ... instead of dealing with the people they are supposed to serve and protect, they are on the lookout for enemies to fight. It seems like a way of taking what would otherwise be a mild form of PTSD and, instead of treating it like an illness, making it into a law enforcement ideology.
    Which is why we are seeing so many getting shot as they are fleeing. There is never a reason to shoot someone running away unless they are carrying a bomb or a machine gun and could threaten a community. Just shooting or tazing someone because they stole or had pot on them isnt an excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I seriously think we need to find out who is teaching these police officers what to do in these situations. It seems like many of them are getting some seriously bad training if they constantly feel they need to pull a gun or taze a child. Its happening far too often and seems to be getting worse.
    I've been saying that for years. Police too often behave like occupying forces rather than servants of the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    No I agree but we arent training them what to do instead. They automatically reach for a gun or tazer. When I was a kid, and you stole or committed a minor crime, the cop would give you a stern lecture and take you home to your parents where you would indeed be sorry.
    One of HS friends, a Border Patrol officer, had a son who as a child (under age 10) continually shoplifted things. He called upon another HS friend (one who I didn't know, but I knew his brother from band), a police officer, to come and put the boy in handcuffs in the back of the police car for the stern lecture. Kid was so scared he never shoplifted again. Today, that officer is now chief of the local police, and the kid - now grown - just got his badge working for the same chief.

    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I dont know what the deal is today, but modern police, often seem to feel everyone is the enemy and they need to be prepared. I think a lot of it has to do with many being veterans where they are indeed trained to think everyone is the enemy, but they cant all be that.
    This is what I was trying to get at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I know we just had a police shooting here not too long ago and the officer was acquitted because he suffered from PTSD. Many of our local officers are former military and they do come in with a different mindset. But they cant all be ex military. Dont they have police academies anymore?
    Ex-military are very often recruited by police departments and when accepted THEN they are trained in police academies.
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    The law allows for tazing 7 year olds. Think about that for a second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius the God View Post
    The law allows for tazing 7 year olds. Think about that for a second.
    But not 6-year-olds? Well, that's reassuring, at least!

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