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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I doubt mandatory school attendance would have prevented it but I read they were under surveillance for a long time. The state case seems to hinge on reports of the missing 3 year old whose presumably, remains have been found. The "arsenal" was one long gun and four handguns which doesn't seem like a lot and training kids to shoot up a school seems like it might be hard to prove also.
    I doubt they vary that much from the average FLDS compound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    And he has the lineage too. His father was an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 WTC bombing.



    Man arrested at 'extremist Muslim' New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings: documents



    The father of a missing 3-year-old who was arrested at a New Mexico compound linked to "extremist Muslims" last week was training children to commit school shootings, court documents filed on Wednesday revealed. Prosecutors allege Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, 39, was conducting weapons training on the compound, where 11 children were found hungry and living in squalor. They asked Wahhaj, who appeared in court on Wednesday, be held without bail.

    Wahhaj is the son of a Brooklyn imam, also named Siraj Wahhaj, who was named by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the New York Post reported.

    Authorities raided the compound on Friday after a monthslong search investigating the disappearance of Abdul-ghani Wahhaj, a boy with severe medical issues who went missing from Georgia in December.

    On Monday, a child's remains were found on the property, but authorities were working on a positive identification and did not confirm if the remains were that of the missing boy.

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    Man arrested at 'extremist Muslim' New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings: documents | Fox News

    does this surprise you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    does this surprise you?
    That there's another Charlie Manson type cult in a desert setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Damn he could have taken tips from Charlie Manson. Or maybe he did.
    I'm just wondering how many "tips" he gave Linda Sarsour of the Left's women's march fame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    @excalibur.....so what? If the government did not have the requisite evidence to charge the father, maybe he was innocent. Either way, it doesn't implicate the son unless you mean to insinuate the son was raised to hold extreme Anti-American views.

    As of now, do we even know whether the son grew up in his father's home? Was the father even in this country while he was a child?

    I too want to know more about this horrendous child abuse ring, but I don't think extreme sadism towards children is a Muslim POV.

    Not even an ISIS POV.

    I doubt there's any causal connection between the Daddy-suspect terrorist and the son's abominable crimes.

    Whatever gaps in our child protection system exist that allowed this to happen, I want plugged. That's what matters.
    There are many articles about ISIS abusing children. His Dad could have very easily raised him with ideology about extremism...just like racist parents breed racism in children. It is a learned behavior. Some act on it and some don't. His father has been in the media and is high profile.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-is...iraq-u-n-says/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Religious extremism as an excuse to abuse and exploit children should carry an extra charge.

    Fuck these people.
    Do we know yet this abuse was religiously motivated?

    Seems like this extreme child abuse is on the rise. I hope that's wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    There are many articles about ISIS abusing children. His Dad could have very easily raised him with ideology about extremism...just like racist parents breed racism in children. It is a learned behavior. Some act on it and some don't. His father has been in the media and is high profile.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-is...iraq-u-n-says/
    I think your premise is flawed, madam. The impulse, lack of empathy, etc. needed to create violent psychopathy in an adult is not closely related to having suffered extreme abuse in childhood.

    Science still does not know why some human adults behave like this. Assuming you think this is all one type of deviant, violent behavior, research on mass murderers has shown they have a genetic predisposition, at least one closed head injury that damaged the "executive function", and behavioral problems in early childhood.

    But our predictions are so weak, they are useless. We could gather 1 million Americans who fit the description and not be able to point to any single individual amoung them as a future torturer or mass murderer, etc.

    Or, so says NOVA, on " The Mind of Adam Lanza".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    I doubt mandatory school attendance would have prevented it but I read they were under surveillance for a long time. The state case seems to hinge on reports of the missing 3 year old whose presumably, remains have been found. The "arsenal" was one long gun and four handguns which doesn't seem like a lot and training kids to shoot up a school seems like it might be hard to prove also.


    I lived in NM, that isn't an "arsenal". lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I think your premise is flawed, madam. The impulse, lack of empathy, etc. needed to create violent psychopathy in an adult is not closely related to having suffered extreme abuse in childhood.

    Science still does not know why some human adults behave like this. Assuming you think this is all one type of deviant, violent behavior, research on mass murderers has shown they have a genetic predisposition, at least one closed head injury that damaged the "executive function", and behavioral problems in early childhood.

    But our predictions are so weak, they are useless. We could gather 1 million Americans who fit the description and not be able to point to any single individual amoung them as a future torturer or mass murderer, etc.

    Or, so says NOVA, on " The Mind of Adam Lanza".
    Adam Lanza had mental diagnoses and his mother did not seek treatment for him. I did not say the freak who abused these kids was abused at all. He could have grown up listening to extremist propaganda, just like adults who are racist grow up listening to racist rhetoric. To sweep that under the rug...is strange because it happens all the time. I also said, not all people act on this and some will change...and some do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    I lived in NM, that isn't an "arsenal". lol
    I don't think that's an arsenal anywhere but that's how weak the case is. The charges all seemed amped up, except for the death of the one child and child mistreatment which might not amount to enough for a long sentence.

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