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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    BS. start to finish. come and live here, then judge.

    How would you feel about the subway system being shut down altogether?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I can see this as a stop-gap measure while the city moves to fix mass transit. In the long run, if those fixes are doable, then the demand should drop, anyway. In the meantime, this allows a bunch of drivers on the road to provide reliable transportation, just not an unlimited amount. Limiting the number of vehicles is not the fix, but the provision that should allow the real fixes to occur.
    The plan to fix the subway in NYC would take 10 - 15 years, at minimum.. not a one year gap stop.

    And where does a stop in new cab / uber licenses, in any which shape of form, has an influence on time or money spent on fixing the subway ?
    Nowhere.
    This is a move to protect the established cab monopoly, nothing else. The city Council doesn't give a rats ass about their commuters, and not about the subway system either. Which is the responsibility of Cuomo, in Buffalo, not driven or handled by the city, but by the state ( and the main reason why it doesn't work).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    So, what do you think about this development? Are you for it, or against it? Why?

    I'm not a resident of NYC, so I don't really care. It has always been my understanding that most NYC residents don't bother with owning cars, because it's practically impossible to drive in the city due to the traffic congestion. I can see where that would be a dilemma for public service vehicles such as ambulances and fire trucks.

    In my hometown, public transit makes no sense. I think we still have one taxi cab service, but it doesn't get much business.
    I think the main reason people don't drive is because of parking hassles. Parking your car for a day in a garage or lot can easily get over $40. Street parking is much cheaper, but you have to do the George Costaza "make larger and larger concentric circles around your ideal parking space" method. There are certainly traffic jams too, but if you want street parking, you could easily spend half your trip just looking for a space, and you can only park there for a few hours at a time. It's one of the reasons that it costs 15 bucks just to drive across a bridge or tunnel into Manhattan. They just don't have room for all the cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    How would you feel about the subway system being shut down altogether?
    How does an uber has ANYTHING to do with the subway system ? When was the subway suffering from taxis, before uber came along ?
    This is such a weird connection being made, that doesn't make ANY sense, at all.

    And trust me, 4 out of 7 days in NYC, you DO feel as if the subway is already shut down for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Most studies I have seen show Uber and Lyft attract the young workers and students. They used to ride the subways but now prefer Uber. Its the same in Boston. Plus the subway can be overpacked at rush hours and it is expensive. They like the apps and getting a car just for them.
    The idea that Uber or Lyft are a subway alternative, and therefore take business away from the public transportation.. it's ridiculous.
    the cheapest uber ride you can get, as a shared ride, is 5$ within certain areas of the city. the "average" uber ride, i'd say is 12 - 15 $. If you want to do that twice a day, instead of public transportation, that's 10 $ a day. the "young" and 'students' do NOT have that kind of cash on their hands. Uber is NOT cheap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    The idea that Uber or Lyft are a subway alternative, and therefore take business away from the public transportation.. it's ridiculous.

    No, it isn't. It's a documented fact. As I've already admitted, I have no dog in this race, so I am not viewing the situation with passion. I don't care how you folks resolve this problem, but these new services are definitely reducing the number of subway riders commensurate with the number of fares they pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    New York City Council passed regulations on ride-hail companies such as Uber and Lyft on Wednesday, capping the number of vehicles on the road for one year and requiring that drivers be paid a minimum wage.

    App-based ride services account for 80,000 vehicles in New York City, and provide 17 million rides per month, according to a study by The New School for the TLC. A surge in ridership has coincided with increased resident frustration with the local subway system. "Our city is directly confronting a crisis that is driving working New Yorkers into poverty and our streets into gridlock," New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a statement. "The unchecked growth of app-based for-hire vehicle companies has demanded action Ė and now we have it."

    "The City's 12-month pause on new vehicle licenses will threaten one of the few reliable transportation options while doing nothing to fix the subways or ease congestion," Uber said in a statement. "We take [Council Speaker Corey Johnson] at his word that the pause is not intended to reduce service for New Yorkers and we trust that he will hold the TLC accountable, ensuring that no New Yorker is left stranded."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/new-...-vehicles.html




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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    probably should ban them, there is too many cars on the road anyway, particularly in manhattan (lots of taxis). You have the subway to get around, and its not hard to hail a cab at all times of the day. Seems those services aren't that necessary.



    Try to get a yellow cab to take you to queens. Not happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No, it isn't. It's a documented fact. As I've already admitted, I have no dog in this race, so I am not viewing the situation with passion. I don't care how you folks resolve this problem, but these new services are definitely reducing the number of subway riders commensurate with the number of fares they pick up.
    well then why don't you show me those "documents" ?
    Seriously, what is it that makes you talk like that ? i live in this city every day, i take the subway every day, i see how it gets MORE crowded in there over the years, not less, i see how the subway service gets WORSE every year.. DISregarding taxis and uber...

    And i use Uber multiple times a week, private, and for business.. i use cabs still.. at times, i see how it works, and how it doesn't work, here in this city, every day.
    And i really don't need some snotty comment from a guy who just CLAIMS stuff with no knowledge, or proof, to explain to me what my daily life experiences are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    New York City Council passed regulations on ride-hail companies such as Uber and Lyft on Wednesday, capping the number of vehicles on the road for one year and requiring that drivers be paid a minimum wage.

    App-based ride services account for 80,000 vehicles in New York City, and provide 17 million rides per month, according to a study by The New School for the TLC. A surge in ridership has coincided with increased resident frustration with the local subway system. "Our city is directly confronting a crisis that is driving working New Yorkers into poverty and our streets into gridlock," New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said in a statement. "The unchecked growth of app-based for-hire vehicle companies has demanded action – and now we have it."

    "The City's 12-month pause on new vehicle licenses will threaten one of the few reliable transportation options while doing nothing to fix the subways or ease congestion," Uber said in a statement. "We take [Council Speaker Corey Johnson] at his word that the pause is not intended to reduce service for New Yorkers and we trust that he will hold the TLC accountable, ensuring that no New Yorker is left stranded."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/08/new-...-vehicles.html
    Can they do that? These are licensed drivers in properly insured vehicles. Where does NYC get off telling them they cannot be on the road?

    How in the hell would they have the power to force Uber and Lyft to drastically change their business model, from sharing revenue with independent contractors to paid hourly employees?

    And how would NYC cops ever enforce such a cap? Uber and Lyft drivers have no NYC taxi medallions.

    This is fucking stupid. If NYC wants to reduce traffic on its roads, which is a fabulous goal, they should look to Europe.

    Paris, e.g., bans ALL vehicle traffic a few days a week. Amsterdam makes bicycles the kings of the road. London has a gorgeous, safe subway system.
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