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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    I think the main reason people don't drive is because of parking hassles. Parking your car for a day in a garage or lot can easily get over $40. Street parking is much cheaper, but you have to do the George Costaza "make larger and larger concentric circles around your ideal parking space" method. There are certainly traffic jams too, but if you want street parking, you could easily spend half your trip just looking for a space, and you can only park there for a few hours at a time. It's one of the reasons that it costs 15 bucks just to drive across a bridge or tunnel into Manhattan. They just don't have room for all the cars.




    :lol: $40 bucks is a bargain. Good luck with that,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    well then why don't you show me those "documents" ?

    As I've already admitted, I don't personally care about this issue. It's none of my business. I just read an article about it.

    You know how to use the Google, if you're really curious. Maybe I read a biased article? I don't even remember the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Can they do that? These are licensed drivers in properly insured vehicles. Where does NYC get off telling them they cannot be on the road?

    How in the hell would they have the power to force Uber and Lyft to drastically change their business model, from sharing revenue with independent contractors to paid hourly employees?

    And how would NYC cops ever enforce such a cap? Uber and Lyft drivers have no NYC taxi medallions.

    This is fucking stupid. If NYC wants to reduce traffic on its roads, which is a fabulous goal, they should look to Europe. Paris, e.g., bans ALL vehicle traffic a few days a week. Amsterdam makes bicycles the kings of the road. London has a gorgeous, safe subway system.
    They have no medallion, correct, but they still all need a license from the TLC. And the City Council simply decided to not issue any new licenses for the next year or so. That's how they enforce the cap.

    As for the drivers wage.. there's a minimum wage requirement in NYC, and the city can enforce to both Uber and Lyft to showcase that their drivers, at all times, with or without a ride, do make the minimum wage, while on the clock.

    again, to me this whole thing is just another scheme to protect the established cab business, the cost for medallions in the city have dropped from 1 Mio$ to 250,000$ since the arrival of Uber & Co. Back in the days, you could never get a cab to take you to Brooklyn or queens at night, even though they're theoretically "obligated" to do so... ever since Uber, no longer a problem, cab doors are always open, they let yo in first, then you tell them where yo want to go , and they are HAPPY to take you. NOW.
    Uber made the cab business much better in the city for customers, by bringing competition.
    They are pretty expensive in NY.. often as expensive as a cab, and once surge pricing hits.. it can be outrageous. And with no more new uber licenses being issued, one can bet that prices will only go up, surge pricing based on demand and available drivers, will be even more frequent, etc.
    So uber, and their drivers, will make their money, the one way or the other.
    All the city does is making sure that NY'ers are not getting the best service, and none of this does ANYTHING for the sucky subway system, whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    As I've already admitted, I don't personally care about this issue. It's none of my business. I just read an article about it.

    You know how to use the Google, if you're really curious. Maybe I read a biased article? I don't even remember the source.
    Ok, so that means then, "documented facts" my ass.

    Excuse me if i stick with my daily life experience of the past 12 years, rather than with your "google it if you don't believe me, while i don't even know when, where and what i read..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    well then why don't you show me those "documents" ?
    Seriously, what is it that makes you talk like that ? i live in this city every day, i take the subway every day, i see how it gets MORE crowded in there over the years, not less, i see how the subway service gets WORSE every year.. DISregarding taxis and uber...

    And i use Uber multiple times a week, private, and for business.. i use cabs still.. at times, i see how it works, and how it doesn't work, here in this city, every day.
    And i really don't need some snotty comment from a guy who just CLAIMS stuff with no knowledge, or proof, to explain to me what my daily life experiences are.
    NYC does claim subway revenues are declining.

    http://https://www.wsj.com/articles/...ted-1532558494

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    The plan to fix the subway in NYC would take 10 - 15 years, at minimum.. not a one year gap stop.
    I did not mean to imply it would be only a year. My point was that it is a temporary measure, not a permanent solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    And where does a stop in new cab / uber licenses, in any which shape of form, has an influence on time or money spent on fixing the subway? Nowhere.
    Nor did I imply it did.

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    This is a move to protect the established cab monopoly, nothing else.
    And that is the part I do not like. (As much as my preferences matter for not living there, that is.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    They have no medallion, correct, but they still all need a license from the TLC. And the City Council simply decided to not issue any new licenses for the next year or so. That's how they enforce the cap.

    As for the drivers wage.. there's a minimum wage requirement in NYC, and the city can enforce to both Uber and Lyft to showcase that their drivers, at all times, with or without a ride, do make the minimum wage, while on the clock.

    again, to me this whole thing is just another scheme to protect the established cab business, the cost for medallions in the city have dropped from 1 Mio$ to 250,000$ since the arrival of Uber & Co. Back in the days, you could never get a cab to take you to Brooklyn or queens at night, even though they're theoretically "obligated" to do so... ever since Uber, no longer a problem, cab doors are always open, they let yo in first, then you tell them where yo want to go , and they are HAPPY to take you. NOW.
    Uber made the cab business much better in the city for customers, by bringing competition.
    They are pretty expensive in NY.. often as expensive as a cab, and once surge pricing hits.. it can be outrageous. And with no more new uber licenses being issued, one can bet that prices will only go up, surge pricing based on demand and available drivers, will be even more frequent, etc.
    So uber, and their drivers, will make their money, the one way or the other.
    All the city does is making sure that NY'ers are not getting the best service, and none of this does ANYTHING for the sucky subway system, whatsoever.

    Where I live, most of us drive our own cars wherever and whenever we want to go. I like that system. That's one reason why I wouldn't want to live in NYC.

    Best of luck to you guys in figuring this all out. I sincerely doubt that our small town solution would work for NYC residents. Neither am I sure that unregulated growth of private car owners providing ad hoc taxi service would be all that different from everyone driving their own cars, eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    NYC does claim subway revenues are declining.

    http://https://www.wsj.com/articles/...ted-1532558494
    And yes.. that might well be the case.. but not because of Uber / Lyft. That is my point.

    The MTA in NYC, sucks. big time. is managed horribly, and has overpaid staff, EVERYWHERE, which can pretty much never be fired. That is why they run a huge deficit every year, which makes their network and service decline more and more.

    E.g., one of the heartbeat lines between Brooklyn and Manhattan, the L train, will be shut down in 2019. That line transports 300,000 customers every day between those two borrows. And the MTA will shut down the line.. for approximately 3 YEARS !!! Because of repairs needed.
    Now i would say, this NATURALLY reduces ridership. buses are supposed to replace the line, but with the rush hour traffic in NYC.. well, good luck with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    They have no medallion, correct, but they still all need a license from the TLC. And the City Council simply decided to not issue any new licenses for the next year or so. That's how they enforce the cap.

    As for the drivers wage.. there's a minimum wage requirement in NYC, and the city can enforce to both Uber and Lyft to showcase that their drivers, at all times, with or without a ride, do make the minimum wage, while on the clock.

    again, to me this whole thing is just another scheme to protect the established cab business, the cost for medallions in the city have dropped from 1 Mio$ to 250,000$ since the arrival of Uber & Co. Back in the days, you could never get a cab to take you to Brooklyn or queens at night, even though they're theoretically "obligated" to do so... ever since Uber, no longer a problem, cab doors are always open, they let yo in first, then you tell them where yo want to go , and they are HAPPY to take you. NOW.
    Uber made the cab business much better in the city for customers, by bringing competition.
    They are pretty expensive in NY.. often as expensive as a cab, and once surge pricing hits.. it can be outrageous. And with no more new uber licenses being issued, one can bet that prices will only go up, surge pricing based on demand and available drivers, will be even more frequent, etc.
    So uber, and their drivers, will make their money, the one way or the other.
    All the city does is making sure that NY'ers are not getting the best service, and none of this does ANYTHING for the sucky subway system, whatsoever.
    Whut is the TLC?

    A state could pass a law that no licensed driver can carry passengers for pay without a commercial driver's license, and that would survive constitutional challenge, I think. But a city, by ordinance?

    Not in my view. But it's definitely a hot potato issue around the country.

    http://https://www.politico.com/stat...ew-york-106647

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Ok, so that means then, "documented facts" my ass.

    Excuse me if i stick with my daily life experience of the past 12 years, rather than with your "google it if you don't believe me, while i don't even know when, where and what i read..."

    You're excused. I've already told you that I don't really care. Look it up if you want. Don't look it up if you don't want to.

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