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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    from that article:
    10 times faster job growth than blue-collar employment in the city.. yes, sounds like a horrible gig.
    Apparently people have to be protected from themselves, as they're willing to take these horrible jobs over all the well paying blue and white collar jobs that are lying around in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    10 times faster job growth than blue-collar employment in the city.. yes, sounds like a horrible gig.
    Apparently people have to be protected from themselves, as they're willing to take these horrible jobs over all the well paying blue and white collar jobs that are lying around in the city.
    Its 10x faster because there is no limit to the number that uber will put on and uber exaggerates the earning potential to the point of lying like a rug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    Its 10x faster because there is no limit to the number that uber will put on and uber exaggerates the earning potential to the point of lying like a rug.
    They have had some CEO shenanigans and issues with management recently so its not surprising. But I will say living outside of a big city in a rural state we have nothing else at all. Drunk driving is supposedly going down because people have an option now. We never really had that before. Am sure inside a big city there are more pros and cons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    They have had some CEO shenanigans and issues with management recently so its not surprising. But I will say living outside of a big city in a rural state we have nothing else at all. Drunk driving is supposedly going down because people have an option now. We never really had that before. Am sure inside a big city there are more pros and cons.
    I am highly grateful for what uber did in NYC for the cab service. Before them disrupting the monopoly, yo could not get any rides into the suburbs outside Manhattan, you could not "order" a cab up front (only hail), you had no payment options other than in the cab..

    Now even the NYC cabs offer pay by phone ( no waiting time at end of ride), apps to order / reserve cabs at preset times and locations, and they NEVER, ever deny you service anymore. The other day coming back from JFK, even the CAB driver offered me water !

    This service level increase, is solely based on uber / lyft coming in and shaking up the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    I am highly grateful for what uber did in NYC for the cab service. Before them disrupting the monopoly, yo could not get any rides into the suburbs outside Manhattan, you could not "order" a cab up front (only hail), you had no payment options other than in the cab..

    Now even the NYC cabs offer pay by phone ( no waiting time at end of ride), apps to order / reserve cabs at preset times and locations, and they NEVER, ever deny you service anymore. The other day coming back from JFK, even the CAB driver offered me water !

    This service level increase, is solely based on uber / lyft coming in and shaking up the market.
    I could never get a cab in NYC. They always drove by to pick up the business guy in the suit. Hailing a cab was always stupid I thought. Its like being at the deli with 50 other people some never get served. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    Again, i didn't come up with that by myself.. but based on the article i provided. That guy was taking a very critical look at the claims of potential earnings with uber, and breaks out all the costs, and earning potentials.. only to come to the conclusion, that in NYC, average earnings for an uber driver are actually 30$ / hour. AFTER deducting the costs of running the business.

    And that is for sure more backup provided than I've seen from anyone else here in this thread, in regards to earnings.

    BTW, Uber does provide liability insurance for their drivers while they're having passengers in the vehicle, as well as a gap insurance (lower) when without a passenger, but with the app "on".

    https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-rid...auto-insurance
    I never said you came up with the numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    This is off the mark.

    1st off medallions commanded that price based on earning potential. Medallions were controlled in # to keep them valuable so they don't become so degraded nobody would want one. And it made perfect sense that they ended up in the hands of capable business people, that's a naturally occuring phenomenon. Now you're talking about a situation where a NYC business only costs 160k? That's grody.

    When you employ part-timers (as opposed to professional drivers) you get gaps in service; drivers who don't want to pick up drunk people, pick up in certain parts of town, work certain hours, follow ADA guidelines, ect.

    There is also the question of sustainability, it's a well worn secret that uber drivers don't make much money, which makes sense because what we have is a billion dollar corporation taking profits while leaving drivers to foot the bill for insurance and maintenance, eat law-suits and face insurance drops from personal policies. Any time you see a "rideshare" driver who tells you he/she makes some $ what you have is a person who lacks business sense who doesn't understand what their actual profit margine is; they haven't paid the bills long enough. What happens when you have an ever revolving fleet of drivers who've degraded the professional system to the point where there is not longer an infastructure of compliance or available professional drivers? Particularly when we count of professional drivers to service medicade recipients and people who receive VA benefits?

    Personally I don't think Uber should exist, it's a scam which preys on poor people. The only people benefiting from Uber are wealthy people tied up in it while it's ruining and entire industry. NYC is beginging to figure that out, which is why it's intent is to commision a study to figure a way out of this mess.
    Do you literally mean the government should adopt laws and so on, to confiscate Uber and Lyft from shareholders and shut those businesses down?

    Because they exploit the poor?

    If you were serious, what constitutional basis for this government power do you believe exists?

    OSHA and the FTC, FDA, can shut down businesses that exploit poor workers in agriculture or in sweat shops. But they rely on labor laws about workplace safety, etc. And actually shutting down a business very rarely happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    I am highly grateful for what uber did in NYC for the cab service. Before them disrupting the monopoly, yo could not get any rides into the suburbs outside Manhattan, you could not "order" a cab up front (only hail), you had no payment options other than in the cab..

    Now even the NYC cabs offer pay by phone ( no waiting time at end of ride), apps to order / reserve cabs at preset times and locations, and they NEVER, ever deny you service anymore. The other day coming back from JFK, even the CAB driver offered me water !

    This service level increase, is solely based on uber / lyft coming in and shaking up the market.
    All of which could happen if regulated medallions were more widely available. This would both increase competition and ensure fairly paid drivers, you don't have to be "grateful" for predatory practices making your user experience better. It's like saying "I'm grateful to sweatshops for 5 dollar tees".

    The cab owner monopoly meme is somewhat ridiculous as well, it deceitfully elevates an uber driver to the status of an owner/operator when in reality Uber drivers are more poorly compensated versions of leasee cab drivers. Meanwhile, uber has an actual monopoly; government required policies to legally be considered a tnc don't exist so uber self insures... gee, wonder who wrote that legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Do you literally mean the government should adopt laws and so on, to confiscate Uber and Lyft from shareholders and shut those businesses down?

    Because they exploit the poor?

    If you were serious, what constitutional basis for this government power do you believe exists?

    OSHA and the FTC, FDA, can shut down businesses that exploit poor workers in agriculture or in sweat shops. But they rely on labor laws about workplace safety, etc. And actually shutting down a business very rarely happens.
    Those laws already exist and have for decades

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    They have had some CEO shenanigans and issues with management recently so its not surprising. But I will say living outside of a big city in a rural state we have nothing else at all. Drunk driving is supposedly going down because people have an option now. We never really had that before. Am sure inside a big city there are more pros and cons.
    Living in a rural area probably means you don't have access to a lot of things found in an urban environment. I'm not sure that should be a weighted consideration.

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